Why did Jesus curse the fig tree?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Near death experiencer Kevin Zadai was shown that after Jesus cursed the fig tree..... he carried the cross beam of his cross to it...... and was hung on that cursed fig tree.

    He was also shown that the fig tree was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Once Adam and Eve saw that they were naked they clothed themselves with the leaves from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

    Pastor Bill Johnston asks about this after the 25:00 mark in this video.



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    Sorry man but I aint buying it

    I think NDEs happen but like alien abductions at night not all who claim NDEs actually have them and these frauds do what us hunans are known for...we make up tales for attention, to be special or to be a part of a community that includes frauds and liars

    Dr Alexander had a nde but there are more frauds than experiencers imo .

    I would use a thick critical filter when listening to these people Dennis .

    I even question whether Jesus cursed a fig tree because he or an apostle was hungry and the tree was barren He then used the fruit bearing tree and the story of good fruit and bad fruit as a teaching moment. The cursing of the tree just wreaks of someone making that story up to show how powerful Christ was as that tree died . Hard to believe god goes around killing trees that didnt produce fruit! Lol

    Seems too childish to be something the creator would spend time doing.
     
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    There is a reason they are called near death experiences. It is because they have absolutely nothing to do with the actual death experience.
     
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    But those people who have them sure do have amazing insights.

    After the 1:28:00 mark near death experiencer Kevin Zadai says that 2020 to 2027 are to be seven years of harvest.

     
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    Fortune tellers are a dime a dozen!
     
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    NDE are delusions. When the brain begins dying it can cause them. Basically these people are seeing things based on their own subconscious ideas of what the afterlife is
     
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    Because the fig fruit looks like an ***hole. :razz:

    Greeting, Dennis. ;)
     
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    Don't know where you get these things from. The Romans would never have allowed anyone to be crucified, except under their control and in the place prepared. The fig tree would not have been suitable being mostly soft wood.
     
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    You would think so.... but due to the annual High Sabbath beginning at sunset Wednesday night those three executions were rather rushed.
     
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    They happen with no brain activity . Delusions happen in active brains Just like dreams

    At least in the case of the Alexander nde .

    Even if caused by the dying brain getting a surge of dmt this would show in brain activity.
     
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    Then explain why the things saw during NDOe change for each person's religion. Ifa they were real then itt would be universal. But a Muslim will always seen an
    Afterlife based on Islam. Christians see one basedbocn Chyisltianity, ect..
     
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    The Jews were not allowed to crucify anyone. The Romans had a site they used for this purpose and it didn't include a fig tree - which wouldn't have been suitable anyway.

    You say the High Sabbat (Passover) was on a Wednesday. How do you know? The High Sabbat changed every year according to the Jewish Calendar. Like Easter for Christians) To know when the High Sabbat was that week we would have to know the year in which Jesus was born. And we don't. Herod the Great was alive when Jesus born. He died 4BCE which means Jesus was born around 6-5 BCE. We simply don't know. That means we don't know when he died. Christianity has always used CE33 but that is unlikely. Jews believed that a man achieved the prime of life at 30 yo. The same time a Priest was allowed to start practising. Although not a Priest Jesus would have started his Ministry at that age and around 24-25 CE (born 6-5BCE) and died around 27-28 CE. .

    Both the Nativity stories and the Supper/trial and crucifixion stores don't stand up if you study the background, Judaism and history of the time.
     
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    God will bless whatever He wants to bless and curses whatever He wants to curse.
    An author will bless whatever he wants to bless and curse whatever he wants to curse.
    It is for these very purposes that those things were created in the first place.
    They exist to reveal what God, and the author, blesses and curses.
     
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    Jesus cursed the fig tree. Because ot was useless, no fruit, no shade, worthy only of being thrown in the fire..

    It was also a warning to us.
     
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    Rubbish.

    he next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. 14Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it. So there were leaves and shade.

    A bit of a temper tantrum?.
     
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    I'm certainly not going to change your mind..
    Jesus is God if you want to second guess His motives go right ahead.

    Yield fruit or burn.
     
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    The tree was not intended to bear fruit at that time of the year. Or perhaps God made a mistake.
     
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    Fight with God not with me.
     
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    Which God? El, who was the father of Jahweh, who was the father of Jesus. You really know nothing of the Bible. and its original meaning.
     
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    Not my fault you were taught lies.
     
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    Not so. Read ancient History. Read the OT. Before their exile by the Assyrians the Northern Kingdom worshipped El at Shiloh. The Southern Kingdom worshipped Jahweh in Jerusalem. El was the chief god of the ancient East, and Ugarit, and Jahweh was one of his sons. When Israel - the Northern Kingdom - disappeared the Jews threw all the aspects of El into Jahweh. Jahweh became their 'god'. Jesus was the supposed to be Jahwehs son. So as a Jew he worshipped Jahweh. Ugarit and the Hebrews used the same alphabet and used the same terms in their hymns as is the Psalms. They are all associated.

    Shame you cannot let go your indoctrination and see the real Bible.
     
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    Yes and the northern kindoms were regularly admonished for worshiping false Gods.

    All because the Israelites refused to do as God commanded as they entered the promised land..

    Judah worshipped the one true God.
     
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    The Israelites were never out of the 'Promised' land. They were a tribe in Palestine. There was no Egypt slavery or exodus. Egypt already ruled Palestine when the supposed exit occurred. Why would supposed Moses lead them from Egypt to a land ruled by Egypt. They, and other tribes, rose up against the Egyptian rulers while Pharaoh was occupied with the Hittites. They threw them out. It's all a matter of Archaeology. We have letters from the Egyptian governors to Pharaoh asking him to send them soldiers to fight the rebel tribes. He didn't, and they were thrown out. No evidence exists for the Hebrews being slaves in Egypt. Nothing in Egyptian history. Why? Because they were never there. Not because the Egyptians didn't want to admit it. The Bible says that 3 cities were overthrown. Archaeology says that there were many more. The small town of Jericho - you could walk round it in around 15 minutes - was likely destroyed in an earthquake. It is in an earthquake zone. It has suffered that way several times in its 9000 year history. Last one in 1926, when damage was done over a large period. Prior to that in the 12th century. Ai was already destroyed.

    Judah worshipped Jahweh - son of El in ancient times. Jesus followed because, like you, he had been indoctrinated over his youth by having to learn the OT from the age of 5 - 13. You believe because you have been told.and never studied outside the limits of the Bible. Have you never asked why the Nativity stories go against Jewish and Roman Laws and would never have happened. Or why Jesus is supposed to be in Egypt and Nazareth at the same time. Or why Joseph had to go to Bethlehem, or was already in Bethlehem - depending what story you read. He had no property there. David was 1000 years in the past and Bethlehem had gone through much, including exile, since then The likelihood of anyone of Josephs line owning property there is infinitesimal. Josephs property was in Nazareth and Roman Law required him to be there. If he had had to go to Bethlehem there was no need for Mary to go with him. Jewish law has special privileges for pregnant and weaning mothers. Of course, Joseph could have had property a few miles walk down the road in Bethlehem-in=Zebulon. Personally I think the Jewish preacher was born in this Bethlehem. Matthews narrative relies on misused OT scriptures, taken out of context, to make Jesus divine.

    But then you will dismiss this without actually studying it for yourself.
     
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    Well since the Bible's OT is the most valuable, accurate and most authenticated ancient document in human history we will be using it as out textbook thank you very much not the crap you are pushing..

    anything that disputes the bible is by definition wrong no matter what your modern idiots think or where they teach
     
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