Why did Jesus curse the fig tree?

Ohh any by the way, i went to Sunday school exactly one time before the age of 22.

 

As I said. You will dismiss this without studying for yourself. Apart from the Era of the Kings there is no authentication of the OT anywhere. Prove the creation story, the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve, Noah and the human destroying flood, Abraham, Moses, the Exodus, the invasion of Palestine. No evidence whatever that can be proved. It's all down to your belief. Much of it is taken from earlier myths, long before the Hebrews ever existed.

Keep on dreaming.

 

What has that got to do with anything. Indoctrination can take place at any time/age. Mohammed found that out when he taught his followers.

My religious indoctrination started when I was a small child at Sunday School during WWII. I got over it much later when I started to think for myself.

 

You wouldn't believe if they found chariots at the bottom of the red sea.. that iscthe nature of the un believing heart you could get smacked upside the head with the truth, you could see Jesus risen from the dead and still not believe.

You accused me of being indoctrinated as a child, just pointing out your ignorance.

 

I would suggest Christians just blow this comment off. You like to delve into a private interpretation and that's your business.

 

Logic indicates that Intelligence begins in fundamental energy much longer than mere thirteen point seven billion years ago..... That Big Bang event was merely the beginning of four dimensional space - time..... not the beginning of Intelligence.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

So God evolves..... and in a sense learns about getting better and better at creation over infinite time in the past .....
the later on decides to invent humans and allow us to be surrounded by invisible life forms in the higher dimensions.

The Dr. George Ritchie explanation for what goes on in the next four dimensions is really quite brilliant and logical.

We really should aspire to go well above the earthbound realm after our deaths.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/george-ritchie.html#a05b

 

They didn't. Ron Wyatt was shown to be a fraud long ago. Even his own people - denomination - disclaimed him.And I didn't say you were indoctrinated as a child. I said Jesus was.

This isn't private interpretation It's all recorded in ancient writings.

 

Who is Ron Wyatt?

 

He is one of the researchers who TERRIFY some very wealthy people who will do essentially anything to stop the type of research that he does.

https://wyattmuseum.com/chariot-wheels-in-the-red-sea/2011-669

Chariot wheels in the Red Sea?

 

You've studied and never heard of Ron Wyatt, the most fraudulent supposed archaeologist of all time?

Ron Wyatt was a discredited researcher who claimed all sorts of findings. He set up a museum that is disregarded by most people. He even claimed to know the whereabouts of the lost Ark of the Covenant, but of course no-one has ever found it. He claimed to have found so many things, yet none have been proved. He claimed to have found the cave where Abraham and Sarai were buried.

Dennis's reference is from the Wyatt Museum website. It's laughable. No-one is terrified by Wyatt's 'findings'. I'm surprised Dennis even posted the website.

Here's the truth from a Christian Website. https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1511-ron-wyatt-the-indiana-jones-of-the-sda-church.

For the last twenty-two years of his life, he made numerous trips to the Middle East. The claims associated with his “discoveries” would make Harrison Ford’s Indiana Jones pale into oblivion.

Yet more than two deForcades after his death, the ongoing boasts of his unparalleled “finds” are heralded via the Wyatt Archaeological Research website and the various competing factions that publicize his exploits.

Ron Wyatt Exposed
His work has been debunked thoroughly by professional archaeologists and respected biblical scholars.

On August 8, 1996, Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology with the Israel Antiquities Authority (Jerusalem), issued the following statement:

“Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun, etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them...” (http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Zias.html).

Wyatt’s religious affiliation was with the Seventh-day Adventist sect. Ironically, the most thorough exposé of the gentleman’s claims was produced by two scholars of his own denomination — Russell R. and Colin D. Standish.

The Standish brothers were identical twins from New South Wales, Australia. Russell (who died in 200 was a physician, hospital administrator, and a medical missionary. Colin is the founder and president of Hartland College in Virginia.

Both were ordained as ministers in the conservative branch of SDA church. They have been prolific writers, co-authoring numerous books, among which is Holy Relics or Revelation — Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated (hereafter designated as HRR).

http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Zias.html).

There are other websites by Christian denominations which will tell you the same.

 

The average C.E.O. of a fairly large company earns eleven million dollars per year?

I suspect that this is so that those C.E.O. can be relied on to lie..... and withhold
important information that could cause a house of cards to crumble and fall.

The very fact that Ron Wyatt was with the Seventh Day Adventists would be reason enough for high level theologians to treat him very much like the Scribes and the Pharisees treated John the Baptist and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus.

This is a related topic that can give you a good idea why it is so important that C.E.O's be paid such high annual salaries.

These topics are so serious that certain people will even finance deliberate fakes in order to muddy the water.

Did museums ever destroy skeletons of giants?


http://www.creationoutreach.com/id432.html

 

I went more often than that due to my grandmother being Pentecostal.....
but by the time I was twenty I was driving one hundred and fifty miles one way to attend
the church associated with Evangelist Garner Ted Armstrong who was exceptionally funny... .for a
preacher.



Garner Ted Armstrong - Nailed To The Cross

 

Oh, well

I googled him, he seems to be not well thought of.. my point was that even proof won't overcome an unbelievabing heart

 

Untrue. Show me proof that the OT is authenticated and accurate and I may believe. The fact is that even most Jews don't even believe the existence of the early Patriarchs and nor do many Ministers in the Church. There is no evidence for such. The early stories are adapted from even earlier stories written long before the Hebrews came into being. There's no evidence that Jesus was anything but a Jewish preacher. Only stories by his supporters who misinterpret the OT to make him divine.

 

Messiah Yeshua - Jesus being able to meet with people who have a brush with death, a near death experience, is powerful evidence that several of the huge promises that He made while preaching......... He is keeping at this time nearly two millennia later on.


https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/christian-andreason.html#a08

 

That is 100% your opinion.

 

That simply shows your ignorance. You should read and study. All the earlier myths and stories are on ancient documents of stone, etc. They are in Museums all over the world. Try the British Museum. They have some. THEY ARE authenticated. These predate the writing of the OT by as much as at least a 1000 years plus.
Jewish produced figures show that over 50% of worldwide Jews no longer practise their religion. Others believe the Patriarchs are allegorical stories.
If you want to believe the Bible is authenticated and accurate, then perhaps you should read Dodgsons 'Alice in Wonderland'. You might even believe that.

I'm not wasting any more time. You simply have little knowledge of the Bible and its background.

Good Luck.

 

And you are making assumptions about history feel free to not waste any time on me,

 

If the OT and NT were all fakes put out by con artists, they would be full of anachronisms, nor would the scrolls be the coherent body of work they are. The Chiastic structures wouldn't have been bothered with, nor would most of the histories and stories. It was clearly written by believers who also knew the oral traditions thoroughly and in detail, and also written on several levels of meaning, with at least four distinct points of view to add to the complications.

The four Gospels were clearly written by those intimately familiar with the OT, and it is clear the NT was all complete before the fall of the Temple in 70 A.D., and nothing added later. The 'orthodoxy' was the first version, not some Gnostic rubbish that came along later, posited by anti-semites for the most part. Anyone claiming otherwise is a crank or some angry deviant who wants to be able to rewrite and revise the parts they don't like, not an informed and well read scholar.

 

Well said!

I am also impressed by how a certain percentage of near death experiencers are being shown
the explanation for details of events in either the Jewish or Christian Bible that makes perfect
sense out of those events.

https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/don-brubaker.html

https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity.html

Near-Death Experiences and Christianity
By Kevin R. Williams, B.Sc.

1. Howard Pittman
2. Howard Storm
3. George Ritchie
4. Betty Eadie
5. Richard Eby
6. David Goines
7. A Gay Man's NDE With Jesus
8. Christian Andreason
9. Gerard Landry
10. Cindy Massey
11. Valvita Jones
12. Don Brubaker
13. Lorraine Tutmarc
14. Berkley Carter Mills
15. E. Tuwagirairmana
16. Ian McCormick
17. John P.
18. Susan
19. David Dawson
20. Betty Malz
21. Kenneth Hagin
22. Emanuel Swedenborg

 

If the scrolls were written by the same group of scribes they certainly would be coherent. It the Torah were written in Babylon as a story to give the Jews a History then the story would follow on. Chiatric structures were part of Hebrew writings.

Oral traditions? The Hebrews weren't even around for at least another millenia after the supposed Oral Traditions about a man called Abraham, Noah, Supposed 400+ years in Egypt for which we have no generations. Even Matthew and Luke miss 'these supposed generations' out of their genealogies - thus making them suspect.
The story is made up of known places, events etc into which Abraham and the other supposed 'Patriarchs' are placed. Today we have films based on historic events with characters placed in them to make a story. Historical Novels abound.

it is clear the NT was all complete before the fall of the Temple in 70 A.D

Why? Few would agree with you. The usual reason given is that the fall of Jerusalem isn't mentioned. The event is not part of the story of Jesus which ends at his death - ignoring the supposed resurrection - in 27-28CE. Neither do we have a report of the death of Paul at the end of the Acts.

The four Gospels were clearly written by those intimately familiar with the OT.

As Jews were taught the OT from the age of 5 until the age of 12/13 most Jews would be intimately familiar with the OT. As Jesus said ' I speak in parables because you understand them'. The Gentiles didn't. Many of his parables were related to the Jews as the people of Jahweh in the OT. The Shepherd, the Vine etc all relate to Israel's relationship to Jahweh.

Proven history - assumptions?????? Oh please!!!!!! Forget it and study.
.

 

Dennis Tate quote

Everything changes again, as if someone has turned a page in a book. I see myself in the midst of a huge crowd. It's not a modern crowd. They are dressed in the clothes of Bible times. I look down at myself. So am I!

The crowd seems to be jeering at me. Why? Then I see more: I help a man, someone who has been brutally whipped and abused. The crowd is upset because I am offering assistance. But the beaten man has eyes that burn with love and compassion.

How could anyone want to hurt this man? I lift the man off of the dusty road to his feet.

The man turns, and from somewhere he lifts a huge wooden cross to his back. The man begins moving toward a hill. The hill is called Golgotha. With each new moment, I realize more and more clearly what I am seeing.

These people are going to crucify Christ.

I follow, stunned, I watch in horror as Jesus is nailed to the cross, the spikes pounded through his wrists and the sensitive insteps of his feet. I watch helpless as the cross is propped up and dropped into position with an ugly thud. I cover my face with my hands.

If only others could see what I've seen. The world would get on its knees ... The world would be at peace.

(Don Brubaker's near-death experience ends here)

Dennis. People did not carry their 'huge wooden crosses' on their backs. If anything they simply carried a crosspiece. Often nothing at all while they are led to execution.

 

This tale of the fig tree is intriguing and baffling.
It could be that it was done in order to set up the disciples for what followed. When they asked about the tree and how he did it, they were provided with a powerful lesson about human psychology and reality.

 

What Jesus meant when He said they did not understand was because they were spiritually dead and could not understand it had nothing to do with their knowledge of Hebrew history. They had given up on God long before. They followed laws not God.
Abraham believed God and it was credited to His as righteousness. The Abrahamic covenant predates and supersedes the Mosaic covenant which was only for the Hebrews. The Hebrews of Jesus's time trusted the law of Moses in place of trusting God. That is why they could not understand the parables of Jesus.

 

Jesus didn't actually say the Gentiles didn't understand. That is implicit in his statement to the disciples. The disciples certainly did. I think you are getting mixed up. Worship of Jahweh was the basis of Jewish belief despite the Pharisaic additions which did not deny Moses, but supposedly expanded upon it. The Sadducees in fact stuck rigidly to the supposed Mosaic covenant and put the Temple at the centre of their religion. That's why they disappear after the destruction of that temple.

There was no Abrahamic covenant or Mosaic covenant. No evidence exists for these people. .Proven History denies these. Like it or not Israel was never in Egypt. Nothing shows it anywhere. Groups of Palestinians went in and out of Egypt all the time to feed their flocks. Peoples of several tribes had settlements. Egyptian slaves - except those taken in Battle - were treated reasonably. Archaeology has found their quarters and know their way of life.