Why did Larry Silverstein admit to designing the new WTC7 in 2000?

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  1. Blues63

    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    Why can't anyone retrieve this footage? You just lifted that from a truther site.That still doesn't mean that Silverstein had the authority to order the FDNY to do anything. A building owner has no jurisdiction in such a scenario owing to the possibility of making the fire services accessories to insurance fraud. It's just not his call, and everyone should know that. If the fire dept comes to your house, you can't tell them to do anything, and to believe Silverstein had some special exemption is absurd.

    And? That is being manipulated to suit your agenda. That is a fair call after all, and it doesn't in any way denote the building WAS demolished. You are grasping at straws and ignoring the law. Do you really believe that Hadyn and Nigro would put their men in such a compromising position? If so, you are ignorant of emergency services procedures.
     
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    The word Jew refers to "Judaism". And even still, to be ANTI-JEW you toy, you have to actually say: GET RID OF THE JEWS! Pointing out that there are filthy rich fake Jews mooching off Moses isn't anti-Jewish or anti-Semitic. Are you brain-dead? And for your comfort, I don't have a problem with Semites but apparently you need me to suck their crōtches to be anything other than "racistly anti"; not that I care. My racism isn't your business.

    But I will say that I reject Judaism, and criticize me for it HAH. Yea, you have me scared for not worshipping you *rolls eyes* LOL oops
     
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    I beg to differ. The language you chose was clearly anti-Semitic. You can chrome plate this turd all you like, but it is still a turd.
     
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    You are clearly anti-Native-American and anti-European for rejecting my right to reject Judaism. Looks like you belong in prison for harassment and hate speech, aye? You hate blacks, whites, and anyone who isn't Jewish? You reject their right to reject Judaism? That IS hate speech, and I send you spiritual penalty for it.
     
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    That's some crazy rant. Get help.
     
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    Too late for you, anti-European dude. You pay now!
     
  7. SamSkwamch

    SamSkwamch Banned

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    Uhhhh, NO!

    You are obviously way out of the loop:

    [video=youtube;Wq-0JIR38V0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-0JIR38V0[/video]
     
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    He's living in a fantasy land of bigotry where it is okay to be in a cult that divides God, and any resistance he refers to by varying accusations like the devil he is that he picked up from cliché social agendas.

    So, while people fall from skyscrapers in suicide to save themselves or live the rest of their lives without loved ones, or excruciatingly mangled, he says, "Those filthy Muslim extremists!" Ah, but the fake "Jewish" sociopaths who blackmailed them and who have been rejecting God for millennia proclaiming the "one true chosen race", no, it's anti-Semitic to question them.

    Ignore him; he said some offensive racial remarks earlier in another thread mimicking black slaves in regard to some of us "twoofers"; he is a troll.
     
  9. Blues63

    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    Are you sane? You are clearly off your proverbial 'rocker'.
     
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    Blues63 New Member Past Donor

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    I've never needed to find it, so save your smartarse remark. You are the first truther to produce it in my eight years of doing this.

    It still doesn't prove that he influenced the FDNY. That is illegal. He may have recommended it, but it was not his call.

    Thanks for cherry-picking my post and ignoring the main point.
     
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    Yes I'm fully aware thanks. Furthermore, Tony Szamboti claims he heard in an interview on the History Channel that Silverstein claimed they had to CD WTC7 for safety purposes. The segment from the HC is missing and unobtainable without a court order (they tried) so no one can verify Tony's claim.
     
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    You have no measurement of sanity. It's time to shut up, you are no one special with any high skills either spiritually or psychologically.
     
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    he was running around the international community doing talk shows, most likely someone got an oueee a bit too early. (before they could run for cover)
     
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    I'm not saying it's not possible Jowenko was targeted, I just feel he was doing the same thing many expert members of AE911T and others do, so why him in particular? Tom Sullivan is still around as far as I know and his expertise may not be the same but it is along the same lines. He's all over YouTube, same as Jowenko.
     
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    I know I'm not a rabid anti-Semitic lunatic frothing with hatred. Perhaps you should shut up as you are coming across as a little too 'fascist'. You are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing scary in your hate, and no, I'm not all that special, but I feel you might be. I haven't seen such a festering diatribe since I jousted with Stormfront Holocaust deniers.
     
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    Calm down, no smartass remark intended.

    Do I get a cookie?

    I agree, but is this not clear evidence of CONTROLLED DEMOLITION?

    How was I "cherry-picking?" You did not know it existed so I posted it for you.
     
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    there is zero evidence of controlled demolition ... in any of the towers, regardless of what "pull it" means ... not a single witness to any "workers" stripping walls to get to columns, running wire, no evidence of thermite/thermate, nada, zip, nothing ...
     
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    How so?

    You ignored the main post, ad responded to one part of it. That is 'cherry picking'.
     
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    That's it. It is an illogical story with absolutely NO supporting evidence. If people thought it through, it wouldn't take long for them to realise that CD was impractical, irrational and politically absurd. There is no logic, reason or research from 9/11 truth, and this is why they fail as a movement.
     
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    It's not "clear evidence", it's corroborating evidence. The clear evidence is in the videos, the eyewitness testimonies, the physics, the logic and a host of other overwhelming corroborating evidence including but not limited to the deliberate lack of any forensic criminal investigation, the fraudulent pretense of an investigation, which was not even any legitimate kind of investigation and the deliberate destruction of evidence, which is a crime in itself and amounts to a coverup.
     
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    How so? How is it not? Did you watch the whole admission? And if I missed responding to something worth a response, feel free to point it out. Sorry for any confusion.
     
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    I don't share your incrfedulity. Do you not understand that LS had no authority to make any judgements or transmit any orders to emergency services? I don't care what he says on a video. It's the law.

    The whole belief that Silverstein had any influence on 9/11 demonstrates a lack of knowledge of emergency services procedures.
     
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    I just watched it again, and I still don't understand why you think this means they demolished the building. It's just a chronologically compressed anecdote that means little.

    Ok, I'll go into detail to explain my problem with all this.

    a). I hope you understand the fact that the FDNY (or anywhere on Earth) have to remain autonomous in an emergency response. Even the Police have no authority over them. Likewise, building owners & lessees have absolutely no authority over brigades in the event of being accused of accessory to insurance fraud. The insurance payouts are determined by the fire reports, therefore their integrity must be beyond reproach. Larry Silverstein had no right to brag like that, because he made himself look part of the decision making process. I've never taken this quote too seriously for those very reasons. I think he was 'inflating' his importance if you will.


    b). Let's look at some features of the event. A few givens:

    The water supply was cut off in the vicinity of WTC after the collapse of the twins. Fire appliances resorted to using on board tanks. This method did not produce the pressure required to fight the fires in 7WTC above the lower stories. Above the fires raged. These tanks were soon exhausted and the fire fighters realised there was little they could do to save the building. Survey instruments were set up, and the data indicated 7WTC was becoming unstable, therefore the decision was made to abandon the operation, withdraw to a safe distance, and form cordon. A few hours later it collapsed. The time frame of all this is about seven hours.

    The original design was altered to accommodate the incorporated substation (see Aegis vs. World Trade Centre). This created the need for a very long span design creating the atrium. This created the weakness that allowed the collapse to occur. The collapse time exceeded 18 seconds with the curtain wall falling at around the 12.5 second mark in the sequence.

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    This gif represents the NIST's model of the collapse. Most of what we see occurs behind the façade (or curtain wall). We know this to be the case, owing to the debris pile of 7WTC. The pics demonstrate that the 'curtain wall' 'draped' over the rubble pile of the interior. See below.

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    This is replicated in the NIST's model.

    Points of logic regarding the controlled demolition claim:

    1). There is no physical evidence for CD. In this context 'physical' means the 'remains' of explosive deployment (all bombings leave evidence of the device).

    2). How did the FDNY rig the building for demolition (after all, your contention implicates the FDNY in fraud)?

    3). If the building was rigged before the 'False Flag', how did the explosives survive the temperatures?

    4). How did the 'perps' know that a large amount of debris from 1WTC would strike 7WTC? Thus triggering the entire sequence of events.

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    The red ring denotes the position of the film crew who took the now famous footage.

    These problems in logic are insurmountable IMO, and they are probably the main contributors to the resistance to accept this alternative hypothesis in academic circles (among many others).

    I, in no way believe that the WTC was destroyed by controlled demolition, as the hypotheses are full of assumptions, errors, false conclusions and perversions of the process of logic. Furthermore, it is because of these very factors (and those listed above) that I do not give much credence to the Silverstein canard.
     
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    Fairy tales are nice but everyone knows they are not reality. When children grow up they stop believing them. At least most children. When the US government and their shills want you to believe a silly fairy tale, they can get really silly, intellectually insulting.

    [video=youtube;pmdcMb5D9gM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmdcMb5D9gM&feature=youtu.be[/video]
     
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    But this comment wasn't insulting? What a parody of a truther you've become. It was telling that you couldn't discount the previous post with anything of value.

    The comparison is ridiculous, as clearly you and the author do not understand the gif. You have missed an important detail in your haste to post this rubbish, and it is very revealing. It happens when amateurs are given material beyond their scope. However, I might leave it at that for the 'giggle' factor.

    Your tactic of constantly attacking the NIST report without anything credible is tiresome and it merely masks the fact that you're unable to explain the event. It's an elaborate 'reversal of the burden of proof' technique, therefore fallacious, but 9/11 truth are oblivious to the meaning of BoP, and fallacies.

    Now for the rational viewers, here is further confirmation of the NIST's hypothesis. You will note that the curtain wall has almost exclusively draped itself over the rubble pile of the interior. This confirms the NIST's hypothesis:

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    Now, if the collapse was universal as 9/11 truth would have us believe, the curtain wall rubble would be mixed with the debris of the interior. Upon clearance, this was found NOT to be the case as the entire curtain wall was lying over the interior debris.

    Interior collapsed>>>>curtain wall collapsed and draped over the pile. Simple really, if you don't have a dishonest agenda (of course).
     

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