Why did we naturally oppose homosexuality of 10,000,000 years?

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  1. Ted

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    1950's American Republican culture is excellent example of proper behavior. You had sex with and married someone you loved and then loved the children that resulted while today improper behavior leads us the have loveless sex with strangers and kill the children that result. Can a liberal determine which is better?

    Who gets to decide? Ideally, the people through a conservative intellectual Republican government of course. 1+1=2
     
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    but how could a liberal illiterate possibly know that????
    http://www.cn.undp.org/content/china/en/home/mdgoverview/overview/mdg1.html

    The significant results that China achieved in poverty reduction have made outstanding contributions to the global poverty alleviation effort, accounting for a reduction of 76.09 percent of the world’s total poor over the period 1990–2005.The Chinese Government has always attached great importance to grain production and made food security its primary goal of agriculture development. China has made great progress in grain production, increasing output from 305 million tons in 1978 to 590 million tons in 2012.
     
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    So are you saying your liberal scientific IQ leads you to recommend that we do procreation in test tubes without regard for love and family??
     
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    Once again, it is not my opinion, it is history. When we look back at the Romans, the populous was typically bisexual. In fact the first Roman emperor to not have a male lover was Claudius, which to the Romans was considered unusual. Also, when we look back at the history of the emperor Hadrian, not only was the emperor himself deified, but his male lover Antonius was deified as well. When we look at the ancient Spartan culture, same sex relationships were especially common, the Spartans' outlook of the ideal relationship was a young male in his late teens to early twenties paired with another male in his forties or fifties, this relationship was considered to be an important life lesson for Spartan men.The idea was when a young adult male was in a romantic relationship with a middle aged male, that he could also serve as his apprentice.

    Ideally the younger male was the receiver, but it is an absolute misrepresentation to say the act of a same sex relationship in itself was considered shameful. Same sex relationships in themselves were not considered shameful, and were actually a common part of their art and literature. In Greek mythology Hercules is considered to the supreme excellence of mortal men, who is also depicted as having many male lovers. Plutarch describes the number of male lovers Hercules had as being "beyond counting". Hercules' most notable male lover was Iolaus, who also happens to be a divine hero of Greek literature, and his shrine was a place where male couples would worship and take vows.

    Again, this isn't my opinion, this is the history of the ancient cultures.
     
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    Nothing in there contradicts what I've been saying. Being the passive partner was considered shameful, but being the dominant one wasn't a problem.

    Are you, by any chance, related to Wehrwolfen? Because you're doing the exact same (*)(*)(*)(*) he does: taking snipets of an article out of context and putting them together to make it look like they prove your point.

    According to you.

    Page cannot be found.
     
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    Have not read thread.

    Here is some interesting links. http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/scientists-discover-evolutionary-advantage-homosexual-sex/ This one reminds us that of course gays do have sex and children, but more to the point bisexuals definitely do and this advantage may impact an evolutionary advantage in bisexuals that carries over into gays. In this study of flies, those male flies that engaged in gay and straight sex had more fertile female offspring than other flies in general, so that the advantage may be indirect and inconspicuous but there. Those with a strong or weak gay gene, gain in indirect increased fecundity, what they lose in volume of offspring. The evolutionary advantage is in their kids, not themselves.

    This is a superb article I found outlining all sorts of possibilities and theories in easy to understand language.

    http://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Evolutionary-Mystery-of/135762/

    here is another with a different take on the same broad topic that is equally accessible. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26089486

    The fundamental point is that the evolutionary advantage need not manifest itself in numbers of direct offspring, but in secondary terms of an advantage to the family unit or tribe that exploits young people not focused on raising their own kids to better advantage, or to the second generation of those who get an advantage from a milder form of the same gene.

    it is also possible that a trait may continue to exist without serving a benefit as long as it does not become a hindrance. We still have a little tailbone tip without having a tail, mostly because it does no real harm to keep that little tailbone tip.
     
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    Get what? I can't think at the 2nd grade level anymore.
    Can you present your case as an adult?
     
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    No. How did you get that?
    I said we can do it that way.
    Sex to procreate isn't necessary, didn't say we should do away with it.
    Sex is for recreation. That's why some do it several times a day. Not hoping to get pregnant but for the pure pleasure.
    Don't you find sex, pleasurable? Have you had sex?
     
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    It's so sad people have to fabricate snippets, put them together as if it is a matter of fact, and try to convince others they aren't lying.
    They must think people haven't got out of grade school.
     
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    The only time Jesus' name was heard during the drafting of the Constitution was when the janitor fell off the ladder.

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    Please please no...I'm fresh out of eye bleach and haven't had a chance to replenish my supply.
     
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    I was talking about your weapons grade stupidity, not conservatism. You'd be an idiot if you were a conservative or a liberal, it wouldn't matter, because only the "flavor" of your stupidity would change, not the degree or level of stupidity.
    There are people who are ignorant, there are people who are stupid, and there are people who are both and have no idea that they are either one.
    Ignorance can be resolved through education and study, the other two are incurable.

    But the worst offense is that you run around pretending other people are ignorant, or stupid, and that you're the intelligent one, when almost everyone agrees that you can't summon the necessary intellectual power to throw a bone in the air.

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    And at this point this forum is so overrun with morons like yourself I really just don't even care anymore.
    Your hidebound doltishness, your mendacity and your idiotic air of self-righteousness convinces me that this is just one more online forum
    that allows the cesspool to be connected to the gen-pop with no filter, because the mods only care about touting the membership number, not the quality of the members.
    So I am overrun with a fresh hostility, not just toward you, but toward the entire forum. I want it flushed or barring that, I want to do as much damage as I can to it before it implodes from its own structural deficiencies.

    You're a cancer, you're a walking advertisement for the movie "Idiocracy". You're the reason it is now a documentary.
     
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    From my perspective the 50's were full of vice and was a time where it was better to appear moral than to actually be moral. I prefer the society of today as we are more honest and open about our vice.

    Ergo those who think like you I would presume. Republicans have no monopoly on morality.

    Math is based upon rules that are universal while morality is subjective thus the false equivalency.
     
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    yes but if a person is liberal,seemingly illiterate, and thinks a cat playing a guitar is meaningful why would his perspective matter? In fact in the 1950's prisons were empty, churches were full, kids had 2 parents, and our schools were the best in the world. Do you understand now?

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    if I said something that was not basic conservatism please say what it was or admit you cant defend yourself. 1+1=2

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    what??
     
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    ad hominem argumentum because the typical liberal lacks the IQ for substance
     
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    how 100% perfectly liberal and how 100% perfectly stupid. Suppose one society agreed with you and another thought sex belonged in a context of love marriage family and children. Which society would die out and which would prosper? 1+1=2. This is a conceptual issue that a child can understand but not a liberal.
     
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    Actually proper and conservative procreation in Africa and India and in American ghettos would save 100's of millions from lives of pure dire liberal misery. Do you get it now?
     
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    our subject is not whether Romans were bisexual but whether romantic heterosexual familial relationships are best for species survival. In Rome there was a death penalty for soldiers who engaged in homosexual acts.
     
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    Homosexuality is naturally occurring in nature....always has been.

    It always cracks me up when homophobes trying to get "sciency."
     
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    dear, naturally occuring in nature, like low IQ's for example, does not mean its optimal. Now do you understand?
     
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    Your posts lack the IQ to give a proper response.
    Sex has been done outside marriage forever.
     
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    Thus your bias be revealed as I am not a liberal, nor am I the first person that you errantly claimed to be a liberal. I take the above dodge as an admittance that you cannot or will not back your claims.

    I understand that you make claims that are not factual. In the 50's the prisons were not empty, the Churches were not all full, there were broken homes, and as for our schools being the best in the world I will need some source citation on that.
     
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    dear, as a liberal how could you possibly know that???In fact, sex has been done in every way conceivable possible way and studied in depth by anthropologists. Many societies were matrilineal for example, and thus did not resemble modern romantic marital familial sex at all. Do you have any idea at all what I'm talking about?
     
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    I do not care if I know.
    You are not worth anymore wasted time.
     
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    not "literally" empty dear. Do you understand now?? Do you understand that what you said about now being better than the Republican 1950's is deadly stupid liberalism?

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    translation: as a typical liberal I lack the IQ to continue the debate but will continue to be a liberal anyway.
     
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    No. You post like a juvenile with no content to your posts.
    Become an adult if you want folks to debate with you.

    Do you understand? 2+2=4.
     

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