Why do Americans kill each other?

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  1. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    A friend who lives in hong kong asked me this question, and I don't think my answer is adequate.

    My idea is that we kill each other because we have divergent values, and there are simply too many of us living next to each other. I really do not value the lives of many people who hold American citizenship. We agree on nothing, and are often times at odds with each other because of those values, yet a common government requires that we cater to the wishes of the other.

    My ancestors were hardy people who lived and died by their wits and muscle. Some became rich, while others slept with the hogs. However, now the ones that slept with the hogs are rising from the mud and demanding that those who worked hard and became rich must necessarily pay for more luxurious accommodations.

    On the other side of that hatred are people who think that there is a lack of balance, and that if I live in a nice house, then I must be the reason why they do not live in my house. If I were to die today, they could move in tomorrow.

    I'm really not sure, but it certainly is a legitimate question. Honestly, I do not value the lives of many Americans because of this ideological divide, but that's generally not the reason Americans actually kill each other. There is a hatred, but is that why the killing is so commonplace?
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no one reason why murder happens. It can be anything from robbing to a cheating wife.
     
  3. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    But why does it happen so often in the states?
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The same reasons it happens in other countries.
     
  5. Nat Turner

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    Easy access to the means to kill - guns. Pretty simple. Pretty obvious.
     
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    That's part of the equation but it isn't equally applicable in all cases. Another part of the problem is that we gegan to abandon sound ideas in favor of psychobabble bull(*)(*)(*)(*) 30 or forty years ago when we started blaming every thing on God's green earth for crime but the criminals. When you make excuses for that which is patently inexcusable the moral resistance to that act begins to dissipate over time.

    Another portion maybe found in the fact that an Amoral society is an increasingly narcissistic society. And Narcissistic personalities when they are confronted by people who don't think as much of them as they do tend to resort to violence.of one sort or the other.
     
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    The fact that conservatives like you who "do not value the lives" of people they disagree with is probably where the a big part of the answer lies.

    We'll see what happened in Florida.
     
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    Pretty closed minded is more like it. People have been killing people for thousands of years and guns have only existed for the last few hundred. This simple minded definition of the problem is part of the reason why the problem exists. Ignoring the facts that in the US there is a racial issue that is being pushed by parties interested in keeping and increasing that divide, that there is a poverty issue that again is being pushed to be wider is irresponsible in my opinion. The fact that there are many cities and states in the US that have near bans on firearms, but still have high homicide rates never enters the picture?

    If you look at the world bank data in Intentional Homicides we're not the worst either. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator...e wbapi_data_value-last&sort=desc&display=map
     
  10. Lesh

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    Two years ago?

    - - - Updated - - -

    No we're not...but you're pointing to third world countries that are basically in chaos.

    Is that how you see this country?
     
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    We kill here in the States because the penalty is not severe. A suspected killer is placed in jail, interviewed by the press, catered to by the guards, dressed in a suit by a free defense attorney who also shines his shoes and strokes his back, put on TV like a celebrity, found not guilty by a spineless jury who is against the death penalty, then he writes a book and makes a movie, becoming wealthy while getting away with murder. You can become famous if you kill someone. Back in the 1900's a suspected murderer would go on trial and if found guilty die in the electric chair, all within 60 days. Liberal do-gooders have diluted the penalty for murder over the years. If arrested for murder a person should stand trial the next day and if found guilty hung in the town square the following morning.
     
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    I believe there are many factors, but I think the predominant are Race, Poverty, and Drugs. Currently in the US we are having a resurgence around the race and poverty issues that I believe is being pushed by people (outsiders) for their own benefit and not for the reasons many would have you believe. Drugs I feel like is the single biggest issue that causes our homicide rates. https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs23/23482/dcrime.htm http://narcosphere.narconews.com/no...-related-homicides-us-average-least-1100-year

    Now how do you deal with the drug issue. Some feel like legalizing it all would be the way. Others feel that the reason people are in the drug profession is lack of education and lack of real jobs. Part of both ideas may be right.
     
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    First, who's "we" and second "not" what?

    There are some third world countries on the map I will agree, but you also have Brazil, Mexico, South Africa, Venezuela, Mongolia, and Columbia, so these are third world countries?
     
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    Need I point out that most homicides occur in cities and states primarily or solely ran by Democrats?
     
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    Yea pretty much
     
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    because here in America we have and enjoy our abundance of freedoms and liberties but with those freedoms and liberties they come with negative consequences
    but we except those consequence to keep those freedoms and liberties
     
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    And then you'd have the whole rest of the day to lecture other countries about how bad and uncivilised they are and how morally superior and exceptional the USA is.
     
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    A forest ranger explained it to me years ago. He said that when the squirrels get dense, they start to fighting each other. Population density causes trouble. The Chinese, and the EAST in general, have BUDDHISM, to quell the hostility. They don't trumpet the inalienable autonomy of the individual. To us, a sole human is all that matters. In Buddhism, it is the total of all people that matter. If we don't get our way, we lash out, Buddhists, not as much.

    It is our cowboy way, that has us feeling that it is us against all others.
     
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    In Orlando (50+ dead), it's a situation involving a radical Muslim killing homosexuals.

    I wouldn't wish radical Islam on my worst enemy.

    ... I actually have no enemies, but you know what I mean.
     
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    It is an absurd question, that ignores reality. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. Why do the chinese kill each other? Why do africans? Middle easterners? irish, russians, & native americans? Americans are no more killers than any other people group, & the statistics are worse in many other parts of the world, so the whole question is just a propaganda smear to promote a phony narrative.
     
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    People just seem to hate each other more now than they did before. The tools or weapons that people use to kill other people are really unrelated if you get down to it. You can kill a person with an "assault weapon" or a soup spoon. The key is how bad you really hate somebody and how easy it is to kill them at any given moment and whether or not you are likely to get away with it.

    You can smash somebody in the nose with the heel of your had and push the nasal bones into his brains and not even use a weapon. Or you can just use a gun, knife, hammer, etc. Hate is the key. Some scientists said a long time ago that once the population of the world reached a certain point that we would see a big increase in murders and killings because so many people compete for things that become scarce and expensive. Not sure if that is true or not but we do seem to have a huge increase in hatred in America.
     
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    Mental illness, mind altering drugs, some illegal, some legal prescriptions to deal with mental illness. Easy access to destructive weapons.
     

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