Why do anti gun extremists hate stories about self defense

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  1. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I support the 2nd amendment, but the title of this thread you created is “Why do anti gun extremists hate stories about self defense”. You created this thread to demonize people who disagree with you – this is typical for people who don’t have logical/relevant arguments – it has nothing to do with discussion for a against the 2nd amendment.
    Gun owner hate tragedies the same as gun opponents hate tragedies, and your conclusion that “gun banners sympathize with criminals!” is as true as gun opponents would say “gun owners want to arm criminals”.
    I accept the fact that in a free society, some people have right to spread the hate of people who disagree with them, so please continue.

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    No movement in American Politics is based on more dishonesty than the Gun Supporters Movement.
     
  2. TOG 6

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    Ok then...
    You do NOT believe the prohibition of any weapon, including nuclear-tipped cruise missiles, is an infringement.
    Thus, you do NOT support the right of the people to keep and bear nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.
    So... what's your point?
     
  3. Grau

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    I think that those of us the support the 2nd Amendment have come to resent the fact that accounts of self defense get virtually no publicity while the accounts of criminal misuse of firearms like those you mentioned are virtually omnipresent throughout MSM for months and months. Then, years later, when the criminal mass shooter goes to trial, the demonization of firearms resumes.

    I've had 3 instances in which my being armed saved me from criminal individuals whose intentions did not include making me any healthier, wealthier or happier.

    Briefly put, my being armed at the time saved my life.

    I didn't bother to call the police or any news outlet so no one knows except the thugs, a few friends and some members of this forum who claim that incidents of self defense are too rare to justify owning a firearm.

    Thanks,
     
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  4. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I find gun banners to be essentially dishonest for several reasons. And I believe the evidence is strong. Gun banners on this board, and in general, spend far more time insulting honest/lawful gun owners than they do violent criminals. They constantly call for laws that ONLY restrict the rights of honest/lawful gun owners. They target firearms that are not often used in crime and finally, if saving innocent life is their goal, there are many other things that are used to end innocent life more than LEGALLy owned guns.

    Many anti gun activists are hard core socialists or collectivists. That group often sees individual people as pawns to be used for the greater good. That is why so many cases of genocide have been perpetrated by collectivists. It is all justified as advancing the goals of society. So I truly believe that many hard core gun banners actually welcome tragedies involving (at the time) legally owned guns to help advance their gun ban agenda
     
  5. Pro_Line_FL

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    Same reason you hate hearing about renewable energy powering towns.

    I am a gun owner, but I never felt insulted by someone talking about gun control. I might disagree, but I am not insulted by their view. Maybe you are more emotional about the topic. IMO they honestly believe gun laws would reduce gun violence, and majority of Americans agree with them.
     
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  6. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    well given you started your stupid post with a lie-the rest of it is worthless. I don't think I have ever commented about "renewable energy" powering towns". You deny that anti gunners refer to gun owners as "gun huggers" or "gun fetishists" etc?
     
  7. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I would say a "safe environment" is an environment where white middle class men do not feel a need to arm themselves with a deadly weapon for self defense.
    Given that anyone can get their hands on a gun in the US what kind of gun control would you support to control illicit guns?
    https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/xr83j6/underage_chicago_teens_show_off_their_firearms/
     
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    You are not a moderate. You are a radical anti-2A fundamentalist and can only support your positions w/ post-hoc and appeal to fallacies that you know will never hold up to honest, rational, intellectual scrutiny.
    As you know, it is impossible to enact a law that will prevent someone from breaking another law.
    As such, "illicit guns", by the very fact they are acquired and used illegally, cannot be "controlled".
     
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    given anyone can get their hands on crack or fentanyl, what sort of laws would you support to control illicit narcotics?
     
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    It's the same 'lie' as the thread title. What makes you think people hate stories of self defense? You made up a claim and then ask why it is so. Such lines are known as strawman fallacies, - like asking "why do you beat your dog" even when there is no evidence of that ever happening.

    I simply said I never felt insulted by someone talking about gun control. I don't take such talk personally. My skin is too thick for that. Gun-Hugger? Sure, I'm a bit of a gun hugger since I have been shooting since I was a boy.
     
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  11. Turtledude

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    so you deny that the anti gun left despises reports of honest citizens using firearms for self defense? OK run with that opinion
     
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    I don't know, but I have never seen such articles. Do you happen to have some examples?
     
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    seriously?
     
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    Yes, please post some examples to support your claim.
     
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    So both of you got nothin’. Did you watch the video? We live in a dystopia. Eighth graders should not be able to get their hands on Glocks let alone with switches. How sick is that?
    Your answer was no laws prevent someone from breaking the law? So no laws are necessary? What? Does that make any sense? You two are so deep in 2A fundamentalism you have lost contact with reality. Why do I waste my time?
    Anyway, we need national laws. Not state by state, because states like Illinois, which is actually trying to control gun violence abuts Indiana and Michigan which have few gun laws. Chicagoans are minutes away from a gun smorgasbord. So the laws of one state do little good if they can travel minutes away to subvert them. All gun laws are "harassment" to the fine upstanding 2A fundamentalists who are to blame for this dystopia.
     
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    You're welcome to impose any restrictions up to the limits set by the Second Amendment.

    It would take a police state in the US to absolutely prevent an 8th grader from accessing a banned product.
     
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    it is illegal for eighth graders to do so. You seem unable to understand that no matter how many laws are passed, people will break them. I also cannot help that you don't understand the federal system where our federal government is limited by our constitution. states have more leeway to pass restrictive laws-as long as those are not prohibited by the states' constitutional provisions and the incorporation of the bill of rights by the fourteenth amendment. I will bet you wouldn't want a law banning abortions federally if some states allow it and the anti abortion forces got enough votes in the congress to do that

    If you don't like the gun laws of the state you are in-you can move to one like New Jersey where the criminals are far better armed than honest people
     
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    I think most gun banners are comfortable with a police state-when it comes to gun ownership. When it comes to minors getting abortions or sex change operations without parental consent, I suspect they sound like hard core libertarians
     
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    Because there is nothin'.
    Fallacy: non sequitur
    As you have been told dozens of times before -
    Laws are enacted to punish people who take actions deemed out of bounds by society; these law are not intended do, and indeed cannot, prevent these action.
    Why?
    It is impossible to enact a law that will prevent someone from breaking another law.
    As such, "illicit guns", by the very fact they are acquired and used illegally, cannot be "controlled".

    Why do you refuse to understand this?
    I mean, other than the fact are a radical anti-2A fundamentalist and can only support your positions w/ post-hoc, non seq and appeal to fallacies that you know will never hold up to honest, rational, intellectual scrutiny.

    Thee is no "need" for the unnecessary and ineffective laws you seek.
     
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    I only asked him because he made a false claim about me supporting said weapon. Even though I never said a single thing about that weapon.
    So if you have an issue with that weapon, you should inquire with the one who likes to bring it up and make false statements about it.

    I don't have to answer to lies made about me.
    And the fact I call it a lie made about me, should answer what I think about nuclear tipped weapons.
     
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    That you were being dishonest.

    I do believe they are an infringement per the 2A.
    I also happen to agree with the infringement. As many people do, including you.

    So, infringements are allowed. And many people agree with infringements.
    So where the line on infringements are drawn, is largely decided by the citizens, via the gov't, USSC, and the constitution.
     
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    If by "dishonest" you mean "I know where you're trying to go and I won't let you" then sure.
    Why do you believe the 2nd protects the right of the people to own and use nuclear-tipped cruise missiles?
     
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    I can only assume at this point, you don't have a clue about what is said or what you post.
     
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    Did you avoid my question?
    Why yes, yes you did.
    Why do you believe the 2nd protects the right of the people to own and use nuclear-tipped cruise missiles?
    Well?
     
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    I now believe you are intentionally posting untruths.
    For I clearly posted, I believe they are an infringement.
     

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