LOL. And again, you simply have no understanding here. But it is understandable to me why that is. I don't expect others to have spent the time I have with these issues. And as I said, many Christians, the fundamentalists, certainly would disagree with my own understanding. To me, its obvious, what Christ meant, but perhaps it takes something else to "get it". The teachings of Christ were actually in large part, mystical in nature. There is something there, that lies beyond the literal words. I think there has to be an insight into the teachings, which isn't that easy to get. But this is part and parcel of the very nature of enlightenment. So when I read his words, I don't understand them as you do, nor even as orthodox Christians do. For your understanding, and their understanding sounds so infantile to me. And just wrong. LOL. The lake of fire is allegory, even a symbol for the state of being of an ordinary human being, who has psychological fears, and great psychological suffering, as grief, as stress, as worry, as the fear of losing his life, or the life of his loved one, and so on. Most people are inwardly in this hell, when it is possible not to experience any of it, as a part of living. That is the hell Christ was talking about. And it is a hell. All of this hell is because of the existence in consciousness of a duality, the ego, and the non ego. The thinker who is perceived to be separate from thought, the experiencer and the experience, the judger and the judged. This inner duality is the source of all psychological fear and suffering. Salvation, or enlightenment is an event in human consciousness itself, that the ego cannot do, achieve, or force. JC was in this state of being. And he had a human body. So, if you are to be enlightened, saved, reconciled to the father, you will have to be just like him, a physical body that has a changed consciousness. So, you go through him, experience what happened to him, when he transcended the duality. The language used confuses us, but the people back then probably understood it differently than the modern human. There is no place for myth, magic and hocus pocus in the real deal. That man has turned it into magic, hocus pocus, myths, keeps them from understanding the dirt and bones of the simplicity here. I think the Christians and people that use your argument are in the same boat. Neither group really has an understanding here. But that is easily understood too. But then, I doubt if either group really wants the only understanding that is coherent. Too much fun fighting about it. LOL.