Why do Liberals Hate Prosperity?

Like 100 of those post came from arguing with two people on my first day.

The rest of that came from debating 3 or 4 at once. Wouldn't have to if I had back up once in a while. But hey, it's not like I'm complaining.

 

Having problems finding people to support your Nazi values? What a suprise

This forum has more conservitives then most, if you can't find "backup" here, you won't find it. Maybe you're not a conservitive.

 

Nah, Conservatives just like debating easy stuff with no substance. Like which type of liberal politics are dumber than others.

 

It's the hardcore Nazi's like you that do the hard work, like advicating death penalty for gays.

 

I never said that. I just said they shouldn't be around me.

Well it's not like I ever see anyone else debating complex issues, except for the few others around the thread. Mostly libertarians, not conservatives.

 

You might appear Lucid but not at all rational in the world of Punditry.
Yer a novelty like many Libs who feel the need to show off their
rambling nature as if credible.
Guys like Al Sharpton { MSNBC } notably come to mind.
If he had half a brain I wouldn't know where he hid it.

 

well, you said this...

What a load of crap

I'm glad you believe you're super dooper smart. Nice of you to tell us all. Hope it helps that self-esteeme of yours eh

 

I wish people around here will stop mentioning Sharpton in front of me. Now I'm stuck thinking about it for the rest of the afternoon.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqQe4KOrvsM"]Resist We Much![/ame]

 

Yeah, totally different from the death penalty.

It's not that I'm super dooper smart, it's just that a lot of people around here just like partisan debates.

 

lame...

 

Whatever... Life in prison/death penalty... about the same. Send them gay's to the camps.

and you're above that? can you even see the debate from way up in that ivory tower u hold yourself up in?

 

Not really.

Yes, I do. That's why I don't participate in a lot of them.

 

I hate prosperity because I want your money. Life's short, give me your money.

 

In my opinion.... the mindset of the liberal, is to worship at the alter of sameness. They reason that if everyone WAS the same, and HAD the same. Then WHAT would be the point of fighting anymore? No one would steal a car (they reason) because they would have one just like it. No one would rob a bank, because they have the same amount of money as everyone else. This is the version of utopia for the liberal minded. Where everyone has "enough" whatever that means.... because they can never seem to define it for you.

The thing that they truly do hate... despise actually. Is the fact that try as they might through education, income redistribution, and govt programs, that cannot make people perfectly the same. People are physically.... and mentally different. Some are just WAY better than others. And as long as some people are better than others, then that utopia (they reason) cannot come to pass.

That is why they hate the rich so much, they have more than other people do. I think deep down, they also hate actors/actresses and professional sports people. And for the same reason. They have more than others, so that has to be fixed so that peace on earth can happen.

I really wonder if any of them has any idea about the disconnect between what they "think" the world would be like.... vs. what the world would "actually" be like.... if they got what they really wanted.....

 

Fairness and equality of results are not the same thing.

That's not the goal. But I disagree -- it's fairly easy to make someone who doesn't work have a very prosperous life: make them rich, and then create artificial scarcity in the economy so that people have to work for them. Then they don't have to work, and they still prosper. That's not the liberal goal, though.

Now, you might argue that people aren't made rich. They make themselves rich, right? But this is not so. The amount of wealth accumulated in the upper classes of modern society can only be maintained through the use of government. If the government doesn't back a wealthy person's claim to their property, are they going to keep that wealth?

No, that's not the goal. The goal is fairness. Work should equal prosperity, but it doesn't. Prosperity under capitalism is achieved through investment of capital, not through work. Otherwise, the working class would be the wealthy class. But the working class isn't even middle class anymore. The working class is now poor. As a liberal, I think that's messed up.

"Taking from those who work to give to deadbeats ..." is capitalism.

 

Very nicely put. I knew it would come down to this where someone other than a run-away-and-hide liberal had to come to the plate and give all the reasons why a liberal hates prosperity and capitalism.

 

The mindset that they have explains almost everything that they do. For example... why is everyone that thinks differently from them automatically stupid or evil? Because if they believe that what they are doing will bring about utopia, and you are against them, then of course you are either evil or stupid. Who would be against utopia? There is nothing better then that! Sort of like a religious order in their thinking.

I have thought about this and watched and analyzed what they do and what they say for years. And it really comes down to that. Liberals believe that a utopian society is possible, and that we should move in that direction at all costs. Other groups (myself included) belive that utopia is certainlly not possible at all, and that there will always be a certain percentage of poor, suffering, downtrodden, etc. Now there are things you can do to get that percentage down to lower levels. But it can never be reduced to ZERO. People that think as I do, realize that the attempt to get it down to ZERO, would in fact cause many more problems than it solves. We understand that the price for "utopia" is simply too high.... and try as you might... you will never get there.

 

Everyone who posts here knows that liberals are socialists, social justice progressives, mutliculturalists, atheists, marxists and or commies. All these un/anti American isms have been a scourge on our economy, our military and our culture. I'll keep posting my hatred of these failed and destructive ideologies here, and keep exposing them up and until we see liberals admit to being America's enemy or until liberals throw in the destructive towel and become pro/patriotic American Conservatives/Republicans.

 

Actually you'd be slightly wrong. In the scenario you lay out, I would say they are both producers. The non-producers would be the ones that don't work but get government benefits whether they are here legally or not. I realize that there are some who can't work and I have no problem with govnernment helping them out for a time. But there are also those who won't work because they have figured out how to game the system.

And in your scenario, where would the worker who is producing the good be without the person who invested the capital to form the company that the workers work for? This notion that workers are being expoited by their employers because they are not sharing equally in the reward is BS. They are not sharing equally in the risk so why shoud they share equally in the reward?