Why do NeoAtheists deny the practice of atheism is a religion?<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    You, as a mark of your academic weakness, put words in my mouth I have never said or thought. :)

    You don't speak for God, either!

    You seem very confused.
     
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    So, only you get to decide what the actual definition is? Your massive ego is showing again and is, as usual, wrong.
     
  3. Arjay51

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    One just has t wonder if this "god" is so all powerful and omnipotent, why did he limit himself to one world? And sloppy work at that.

    It seems that either he does not exist or is a extremely poor creator. Feckless, in fact.
     
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    Why, is speaking for god or even others purely your job?
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, rare is the denial of an entire universe.
     
  6. JakeStarkey

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    Once again you have said something that I did not say, which is a solid indication you cannot debate effectively.

    This is what I said, and you have proven it so true: "Nope, your comment is redundant, as well as mendacious Atheists (or believers, for that matter) do not get to change traditional definitions."
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and how many died under the blast of one atomic bomb? You need to get real. I did say some good is accomplished under technology. However I will NEVER give it the role of god in my life as you apparently do. You think you insult me by using the term "invisible sky man".....you'd have to have a measure of credibility to do that!
     
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    And your proof that your God is real is what exactly?
     
  9. Concord

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    You still haven't shown why this is an interesting point.

    Like I said, for the purpose of moving this conversation along I'll say that I have faith that because I have no reason to believe in God, I don't believe in God.
     
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  10. JakeStarkey

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    Which is religious. Thanks.
     
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    Seems like a strange thing for someone who said: "Define all you want. The professional world will stay with traditional definitions."

    Alright, so you believe that beliefs in general are religious beliefs, since to have a belief is religious?
     
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  12. Arjay51

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    So, you are trying to say without saying that only what you decide is important and worth consideration. Continuing to try to inflate your already vast ego. This is an indication that you have nothing of worth to say and then going on to prove it.

    BTW, to be "redundant" I would have had to make the statement before. I haven't and if you think that I have, other than in your imagination, provide a quote of the post. But then you can't, can you.
     
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    Another one who plays semantics, redefining any word you wish to say anything YOU decide it means.

    Simple hypocrite.
     
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    Since I don't expect an answer to be forthcoming, I'm going to make an important point for the benefit of any who might happen upon this thread.

    If we're going to take JakeStarkey's point seriously, we would have to accept that ALL beliefs are religious. That makes ALL belief system religions. Newtonian physics? A religion. Liberalism? A religion. Orthodox economics? Religion. Knowledge of how to build a bomb? Religion. Knowing that there is milk in your refrigerator? Religion.

    If anyone doesn't see the folly in this, then we need to have a conversation about semantics.
     
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    Only by your own personal definition. Which you claim is held by all. Read the thread, most do not share your views.
     
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    Nice display of you noting only parts of a post, those parts which you imagine you have a retort to. And lying about what is actually said. Very religious of you.
     
  17. JakeStarkey

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    The atheists can pontificate all they want.
     
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    Or you can answer simple questions.

    I'll bite the bullet here. You're totally right, man, atheism is a religion. But it's no more a religion than chemistry.

    So wait, do you think that belief systems like Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism need to be categorized in some manner, while belief systems like chemistry, Marxism, historical linguistics, and atheism need to be categorized in another? Most people would use the word "religions" and "non-religions," but your bizarre definitions exclude that option.
     
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  19. Kokomojojo

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    You are arguing from no foundation, and misguided concepts
     
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    I'm arguing based on the totality of my experience.

    But this is a pretty esoteric strain of conversation. Perhaps you could provide a better definition for "religion" than JakeStarkey has?
     
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    well what do you believe religion is?
     
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    Well, let's first note that dictionaries have multiple definitions for good reason. I'll answer you with respect to epistemology. Speaking epistemologically, a religion is any belief system that claims truth takes the form of divine revelation, something that one must come to believe as a matter of faith in the revelatory apparatus.
     
  23. Kokomojojo

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    well religion is the creator of culture, I dont see how the definition can use truth in a universal sense anyway since there are over 10,000 different religions.

    Next there is nothing divine about quakerism and thats a religion

    How does your definition account for those?
     
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    I don't know what that means. Culture necessarily precedes religion. Religion is a facet of culture, and often a pivotally important one.

    It doesn't necessitate that it does, but typically religions at least imply universal truth.

    I don't know what you mean that there's "nothing divine about Quakerism."

    I admit that I know very little about it, but about 10 seconds of reading tells me that Quakerism has divine revelation coming from two sources, from an "inner light" and from the Bible.
     
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    good example is the mormons, several wifes, like it or not the religion created the culture, look at jonestown, that religion never existed, karesh, now when these religions take root and grow they create a nations

    there are no gods in quakerism, nothing divine, you have the wrong sect.

    I would buy religions as they proprogate strike a chord with its adherents.
     

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