Why do NeoAtheists deny the practice of atheism is a religion?

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  1. gfm7175

    gfm7175 Active Member

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    Bigotry is not "intolerance", Arjay...

    It is an error of logic. It is a specific form of the Compositional Error Fallacy, involving people as the class.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member

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    I would HIGHLY recommend you try to avoid the word "Logic" in your comments going forward...it tends to make us consider it in the context of what you type.
     
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    No I don't but then again, I can't disprove their existance either, but then again, I don't go around calling people stupid and ignorant for if THEY believe in them either, unlike Atheists, who often openly mock theists for their beliefs. I have lost count how many times I've see Bill Maher openly claim that atheism has been proven by science and that anyone who isn't atheist is stupid. Bill Maher is your typical atheist.
     
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    Argument of the Stone Fallacy. It seems as if you would rather "throw stones" than form counterarguments.
     
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    Well said!
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member

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    The VAST majority of what you see as attacks are simply people debating or pointing out inaccuracy but for some reason the most devout Christians feel put upon. This persecution complex is very annoying and actually intensifies animosity and frustration.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member

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    Actually I would rather avoid you and your silliness...I will do so now.
     
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    So why do you keep responding to my posts?
     
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    1; I am not Christian, I am a deist. I do not believe in the christian god.

    2; Atheists claim the non-existance of all gods can be proven using science, yet non-have ever show any such proof.

    3; Whenever they are asked to show proof of their claims, most atheists will simply attack people as being stupid for not agreeing with them.
     
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    P1: Argument A supports proposition P.
    P2: Argument A contains a logical fallacy.
    C: Proposition P is false.

    There is nothing wrong with pointing out that the argument A is invalid. However, claiming that the entirety of proposition P (which could otherwise be an objective scientific truth or is supported by better arguments) is false, just because it could be, or is being, supported by fallacious argument A, is the Fallacy fallacy.
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy

    As I pointed out a proposition is not necessarily false just because it is supported by a fallacious argument. Add that to some very tenuous understanding of the fallacy in the first place as has been pointed out by various posters over the previous pages and it becomes clear why my proposition that "Some people seam to be under the impression that learning a list of informal fallacies is a legitimate way to debate" is correct. My grandmother would of summed this up "as trying to be too clever for your own good", yes I am aware that this is an appeal to Authority fallacy!
     
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    I have never seen an atheist claim this, you have created a Straw man. I certainly would not make any such claim, especially in respect to deists.
     
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    I know of no Atheist that makes such a claim, I do however often provide evidence that one of mans Gods or another is based on books claiming the impossible....is that what you mean?
     
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    Yes, it is intolerance. It is the hate or revulsion of another who is different in thought or race. You display it constantly when anyone disagrees with you.

    The "error of logic" is yours in thinking that only you are correct on all things when obviously you are not.
    Why do you keep making false posts?
     
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    Projection fallacy on your part. You try and demean exactly what you are doing.
     
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    Re-read my post #827...
     
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    Many atheists claim that... even atheists on this forum.
     
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    Show it, or it is an argument from stone fallacy.
     
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    That's not the fallacy. That fallacy is whenever someone dismisses something as absurd without counterargument.
     
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    forgive me I thought it would go without saying that the suffix theism means god. And the word atheism means without God.

    Pardon me for assuming you knew what words meant.

    When you use the word theist or theism you're specifically talking about 8 belief in God. Theist comes from the Greek word theos meaning God.




    those aren't really religions they are effigies.

    I'm sorry those religions are polytheistic meaning they are theist they then therefore cannot be a theistic because the two words are mutually exclusive.

    Again the word theist has to do with a belief in gods. Theist coming from the Greek word theos meaning God.

    will Buddhism and Shintoism do include worship. So yes I am.
     
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    finally ran out of stones
    You disqualify your arguments with fallacy
    Why should anyone wish to accept meaningless noise for an argument
    He gave you the opportunity to clean up your act
    You buried yourself so stop whining
     
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    I am an agnostic, and agnostic means 'without' G/god
    atheism means conscious calculated rejection, disbelief, how ever you wish to say an active faith based decision to reject belief in G/god.
     
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    Agnostic means without gnosticism. And the word Gnostic comes from the Greek word gnostikos which means to know.

    So agnostic means without knowledge.

    Theos is god gnostikos is knowledge.

    so you were wrong agnostic does not mean without God atheist means without knowledge. Atheist means without God.
     
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    As he usually is, he is wrong again. And he will never admit the possibility of "bearing false witness" because in his mind he cannot.
     
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    BTW, from your posts supporting the idea of this "god" you are 100% a theist but will not admit it for some reason.
     
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    It's like some people will insist that the Earth is flat how I don't believe these people actually think it is. I think they want it to be true. As a means to deny the entirety of science.


    Coco is just a misinformed on what the words he's using mean.

    I think it's very common to talk to a person who identify themselves as agnostic and if you ask them does God exist they will say it I don't know.

    The statement "I don't know" directly and necessarily implies a lack of knowledge.

    If you ask an atheist does God exist they will say no. That it's not a religious belief it's based on evidence. It's not practicing anything. It's just formulating an opinion.
     
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