WHY do people resist vaccination?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Reasonablerob, Oct 9, 2021.

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Why do people oppose the vaccine?

  1. Sheer stupidity

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  2. Paranoid distrust of the government/establishment?

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  3. Other?

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  1. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, you will fill me in on the details. Right. Great. Me, a medical scientist, MD/PhD with 41 ones of medical practice and medical research expertise, with expertise in Virology and Immunology. You think I ignore these things and you'll teach me. Yeah, right.

    What I'm saying is that there is NO evidence whatsoever that the mRNA vaccines are doing that. Evidence-free hypotheticals are not something I pay much attention to.

    Do you want to convince me? Show me ONE case where this is actually happening (by the way, it is happening in rare cases for the adenovirus-vector vaccines, but NOT for the mRNA ones). I showing me the case, make sure you link to a reliable source (such a case-report in a major medical journal), not opinion from crazy anti-vaxxer junk science sites.
     
  2. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    It's simply a normal risk of life, so no. I take proper precautions like I do with other risks but I'm not driven into hysteria by Covid.
     
  3. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did. Who needs a president who sits on his ass while the country falls apart, and then says "there was nothing I could do, - the other guys did this". That pretty much defines a failed presidency. Biden screwed up too. He messed up with Afghanistan, but he got in front of the TV cameras and and said that he owns it.

    Then you said we should blame Democrat governors for shutting down the economy, and somehow that is supposed to explain why Florida, Texas, etc red States with Republican governors did the same thing.

    Your claims are so absurdly partisan, that they don't have any credibility.

    Numbers don't lie. Besides, you would not be playing the blame-game if everything was so wonderful when Trump left office (was fired).
    - Unemployment rose by about 30% while he was president
    - Average GDP growth was around 1% during his 4 years
    - Debt increased by $8 trillion during his 4 years

    Why on earth can anyone be ready to repeat the disaster like Trump, when there are conservative Republicans who can take over in 2024. I'd he happy to vote for Rand Paul or someone like him, or Tulsi Gabbard from the Dem side, - but to vote for a proven failure is beyond me.
     
  4. Collateral Damage

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    True or false, the injection is intended to goose a person's immune system so it can formulate a response. A simple yes or no.
     
  5. gfm7175

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    None of that ever happened. You are telling tall tales.

    Again, you are telling tall tales. Biden never "owned up to it". In fact, he refused to answer questions about it. His call with G7 leaders about it only lasted seven minutes. He falsely claimed that there was no criticism from NATO allies with regard to the botched withdrawal. That's not "owning up to it".

    Continued tall tales.
     
  6. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, the melt-down did happen, and Trump was president and blamed everyone but himself. All of it happened, and he is still trying to shift blame.

    He did it repeatedly. He said he gave the order and that the buck stops with him.

    You can get back to topic, or you can go back to humping Trumps leg. The choice is yours.
     
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    You're pretty much reinforcing my point here. COVID came out and the American People turned to the "face" of experts regarding the virus who put out information during official briefings daily. He flat out deliberately lied to everybody right off the bat. That alone killed any credibility he will ever have and I refuse to acknowledge anything he says ever again even if he may be right.

    Folks can go back in hindsight and spin what the Democrats said regarding the vaccines all they want. Fact is simple, they played politics with it as you said, that alone killed trust. I'm watching clips of what they said on live TV right now and the American People saw what they said on live TV when they said it.

    Restrictions of movement were in place for way longer than 5 weeks after May of 2020...Perhaps not at the Federal Level but States and local municipalities had varying degrees of restrictions in place all the way up until earlier this year. We were carrying on as normal in my small town way back in August of last year while the cities around here still had local lockdowns or forced closure of what they deemed non essential businesses.

    As far as my employer? I work for the Federal Government. All of these asinine hypocritical restrictions came directly from Washington regarding us. Even when local counties would change their lockdown restrictions we still had to follow more restrictive Federal mandates. Once again the Government proved itself untrustworthy due to it's pure hypocrisy therefore I stopped listening to their guidance about anything COVID related. We literally didn't DO anything while at work because all operations ceased for months, we were just forced to show up to the building and sit around there all day long because "we pay you and you can't just sit at home and do nothing". Due to Federal Government orders I was mandated to go to work and sit at my desk in a building with 500 other people and no literally nothing that I couldn't also do working from home. Yet due to Federal Government orders for me as a Federal Employee I was restricted from attending Church in person, doing to my co-workers home for dinner with his family, going to the bar with 5 other total people in it, going fishing on my fishing kayak ALONE, etc. The mandates they put on us made zero actual sense. We must socially distance and not gather in groups to slow the spread of the virus, period. Yet due to the hypocritical logic of the Federal Government I am ordered to go sit in an office with dozens of other co-workers in a room where it is physically impossible to remain 6 feet apart from one another due to the size of the office space yet I cannot go to the exact same co-workers house after work and hang out....There is zero way to justify that with a straight face.

    Which leads to me catching COVID and that REAL conversation that I had with the local CDC rep assigned to check in on me on the phone every morning. I caught COVID because the Federal Government lied to the State im living in claiming that we too were following work from home guidelines and social distancing while at work for essential personnel. When this city locked down via State order (the city close by where I work not my little town) us Federal Employees did not. This is a small community, even the "city" is really just a small town we just call it a city because it's big for us. You can't hide that sort of thing here and the city community got pissed. Sure we were ordered to lockdown "officially" with the "wink and nod" to appease the masses all while never actually locking down at all nor following any of the CDC guidelines.

    Even the Federal Government ORDERED us to ignore the CDC (Government) guidelines. These people can't even agree with each other. So low and behold I catch COVID because I was not ALLOWED under ORDER to follow CDC guidelines and ORDERED to go sit at work with 500 other people. So when the local CDC rep of the Government called me he had no idea what to say and then proceeded to interrogate me for 30 minutes on the phone implying I was a liar about how I got COVID.

    "Are you SURE you didn't go anywhere for the past 3 days Sir? It's ok to be honest we understand you guys are on restriction of movement, we aren't the cops and HIPAA protects your confidentiality. We really are just trying to do contact tracing nothing more".
    No guy, I didn't go ANYWHERE. I caught COVID because my section of the Federal Government told your section of the Federal Government to go pound sand with your guidance and made me go work in a building with 500 other people in close proximity. My job GAVE ME COVID by ORDERING me to do that. I didn't get it from the walls in my house that I didn't leave for 4 days during a blizzard. It was in my system from last week when I was unofficially at work when I wasn't supposed to be.

    So if I do have any long term health effects of having caught COVID then that is 100% the direct fault of the Federal Government who FORCED ME UNDER ORDER to ignore CDC guidelines and go to work while LYING to the State government saying we weren't doing that in order to appease the local public who was pissed off about that seeing how they were following CDC guidelines. Then the Federal Government lied to me saying I could take my mask off if I got the shot only to re-neg on that 3 weeks later and force me under ORDER to put it back on again after they got me to do what they wanted which was take the covax during a time when they didn't want to mandate it to us Federal employees because it wasn't FDA approved yet.

    These people at all levels are inconsistent hypocritical liars. I am done listening to any of them or believing any of them. If I operated with the same level of deceit and inconsistency as these people I would be relieved of duty and forced to resign immediately. Yet they are all allowed to pull this nonsense with impunity. And I am expected to believe in what the government is telling me now after all of this? No.
     
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    You're being disingenuous. It's been explained to you that the reports to VAERS are probably a drastic underestimation. Many times the doctors will not ascribe the deaths to the vaccine, they will not make any connection.

    Whereas early on, if almost anyone died while happening to test positive for the virus, they ascribed the death entirely to the virus.
    No matter whether that person already had an underlying cardiopulmonary medical condition.
     
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    I don't necessarily disagree with you as my wife was furious with him for quite some time ... I deferred to his training and experience ...

    btw, I have read so many conflicting studies on autism that I don't know what to believe anymore ... my younger brother was autistic, not diagnosed until his late 20s and killed himself 13 years ago ... he also had spinal meningitis as a baby ... did that have anything to do with it? ...
     
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    I agree. The framers of the Constitution wrote that document to limit the powers of the federal government. They went so far as to specify exactly what powers the federal government had. Article I Section 8. Then added the 10th amendment to ensure limited power by stating all powers not given to the federal government, section 8 and not prohibited to the states, section 10 are reserved or given to the states and or the people.

    But over time, the 10th amendment has become meaningless, the federal government has gained so much power that congress for the most part has become irrelevant. This isn't what was envisioned. But it is a fact and it is the way it is. I'd say we distrust our government for very valid reasons.
     
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    Good for you.
     
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    The constitution establishes a central government first and foremost.
    We went to war to establish a constitutionally endowed colony of states. If we think all it does is limit the powers of the states, why even have one. It establishes the powers of the central govt and explicitly says, the states will exercise their rights outside of this frame work. When there is a conflict, we have courts.
     
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    All vaccines do that, but this platform, the mRNA one, is MORE focused and narrow than others, given that it only targets ONE viral protein (this virus has 29).
     
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    Wow. I feel sorry for your experience and understand your pain better, now. Yes, seems like you've been the victim of morons. I feel kind of fortunate now that I'm not a Federal employee.
    Just one thing, you seem to equal lockdowns, business restrictions, and local ordnances. I said that all States cancelled the lockdown orders in May 2020 and that's a fact. Restrictions did continue but they are not the same as lockdowns. As for local ordnances, of course I can't know of them all.
     
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    It's been explained to me... LOL.
    I was the one saying so, that most doctors don't bother reporting a correlation, but some goodie-two-shoes do.
    REAL cases of causality are not more than a handful, literally.
    You, calling me disingenuous, is not only a personal attack, but is quite laughable, coming from you, the guy who posted the smallpox picture pretending it was a Covid vaccine reaction. LOL.
     
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    Like I said, training and experience doesn't always shield someone for harboring some weird beliefs and listening to junk science. I've encountered my share of doctors who do.
    There is no doubt whatsoever that vaccines don't cause autism. That's just a favorite topic for anti-vaxxers. Conflicting studies, goes like this: all the real science says, no causality. All the junk science says, causality. It's as simple as that. As for your younger brother, I'm sad to learn of it, but I can't give you an opinion without knowing all the specifics of his clinical presentation.
     
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    True. Things have been fairly out of control lately, especially during the current and the previous two administrations.
     
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    Don’t you think the researchers at John’s Hopkins would know more.
     
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    You’re smarter then the people at Mayo Clinic ? Cause they do much of the research for the feds. Also Yale etc. namely 171 of them. Now, is Tucker that smart ?
     
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    So if someone has mutiple auto immune issues, and maintains a specific balance between those issues, would not spiking their immune system cause an imbalance?
     
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    Getting COVID gets us closer to herd immunity weeks ahead of getting jabs, so why fret over it? I got mine and couldn't care less about what other people do or don't do.
     
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    Illogical, really. American distrust of government and "the establishment" is founded in untruths and half-truths.
     
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    What about the other vaccines that children are mandated to take in order to go to school? Jim Jordan has decided that ALL vaccine mandates be eliminated in Ohio. Those vaccines that children are currently receiving immunize against polio, measles, hepatitis B, chickenpox, diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis.
     
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    Darn it! You didn’t leave me the option of voting for both stupid and distrustful! :p
     
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    And if anyone thinks Tetanus has been elimated they can think again! Even with the availability of TIG I would NOT recommend going through it
     

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