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Why do so many people blindly believe the US claims that Russia hacked the election?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by ProgressivePower, Jul 17, 2018.

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  1. ProgressivePower

    ProgressivePower Active Member

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    As far as I am concerned these claims do not have any evidence to back them up. I haven't seen any of it. The indictments don't show me any proof. I'm not saying that Russia did not do it, or couldn't have been responsible,.... I just find the US claims hard to believe as there is nothing that backs these claims up.

    We all know that the US intelligence have had many 'blunders'. Iraq was a total lie. There were no WMD's. For such intelligence agencies to continue to make 'blunders' and mass media and the US elites to continue to go full throttle in their belief that the intelligence agencies are always right is sad. If US mass media were truly good journalists they would hold every part of the US government accountable and challenge the intelligence agencies claims. But they don't. Just look at Iraq.

    I want to know your opinions on who hacked the election (which is a BS frame as well), but before I do so, I want to leave you with a two videos, by a man named William Binney. He was a former high placed NSA intelligence official who worked for the NSA for 30 years, and he with his organization VIPS, believe that the US claims that Russia hacked the DNC are false and that it was an insider who did so instead.


     
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    Maybe because these people hate Trump and will sacrifice anything to make Trump look bad.

    Remember, obama and his cartel swore repeatedly that the election process was secure - until the day after the election when they saw their anointed successor Hilary had lost.
     
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  3. ProgressivePower

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    I don't think it's just hate for Trump, I think that the establishment is in love with Trump's economic policies, but politics is also about foreign policy as well, and the media shows us once again how bad they are by completely trusting the intelligence agencies without any questions.
     
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    the establishment is what is perpetuating the investigation.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    Oh lord. Trumps own justice department say it's true.

    Everyone knows he's a traitor now. Even republicans. Even Fox News!

    Chris Wallace had to do his job for him.
     
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    . . . whilst the rest of the world looks on in disbelief? I mean, two bloody years and counting? What has happened to the America I once knew and loved?
     
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    Nothing really, one of the parties is melting down. It happens. We'll survive.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    Yes, everyone including Fox News recognizes that trump's a traitor.
     
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    Think yourself lucky - both of ours are.
     
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    People said the same thing about Barak Obama.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    one seems to have already done that and its in the process of restructuring.
     
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    We knew even during the Bush and Obama administrations that hackers were attacking daily.. Russia, Iran, North Korea and China.. By the end of the Obama administration we could track them in real time.

    As for WMDs in Iraq.. US intelligence knew there were none.. Cheney had his own ideas like Trump does now.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    Alex Jones doesn't count



    Everyone knows trump is a traitor, even Fox News.
     
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    I wasn't referring to Alex Jones.
     
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    Everyone knows trump is a traitor, even Fox News.

    Chris Wallace had to do his job for him.
     
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    Putin said the meeting with trump went so well, he might make trump president for another four years.
     
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    Notice how you just quoted another department inside of our government, which has once again provided no proof of these claims. The fact that you call him a traitor is honestly crazy. There has been no proof of collusion or Russian hacking for the past 2 years, and no evidence that Putin is controlling Trump and his actions. Trump is a corrupt businessman, who has probably made backroom deals with Russians, but to say he colluded with the Russian government and is completely controlled by Putin is ridiculous atm.
     
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    Because the lefties slogan about their BS is the same as the Post Office: If it fits, it ships.....

    Truth and facts are not required in Lefty propaganda.
     
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    Exactly this also. It's the establishment who has been pushing this for 2 years non-stop. Why should I believe these guys?

    REMINDER: JAMES CLAPPER LIED TO US!!!
     
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    I wouldn't say it's those on the principaled left but more the neo-liberal types, who aren't really leftists anyway. But I think this BS has somewhat spread to those in the public, and many are really being duped and need to be looking into/researching things more carefully.
     
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    I think there's a word for people who side with Russia against all of our intelligence agencies, including tRump's own people.
     
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    ....and the word is: sane.
     
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    I also think there is a word for those who think that people who are skeptical of the US intelligence claims are somehow in love with Putin and Russia.

    REMINDER: JAMES CLAPPER LIED TO US!



    REMINDER: MUELLER LIED ABOUT WMD'S!

     
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    The number of conspiracy theorists among the ranks of the Cult of Denial is disturbing.

    "Binney’s claim that the email theft was committed by an insider at the DNC also helps fuel one of the more bizarre conspiracy theories that has gained traction on the right: that the murder of a young DNC staffer last year was somehow connected to the data theft. Binney said he mentioned the case of Seth Rich to Pompeo during their meeting."

    CIA DIRECTOR MET ADVOCATE OF DISPUTED DNC HACK THEORY — AT TRUMP’S REQUEST

    https://theintercept.com/2017/11/07/dnc-hack-trump-cia-director-william-binney-nsa/
     
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    Lol, no, that's not it.
     
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