Why do so many people hate the Jews?

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  1. ibshambat

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    There is a large and increasingly vocal movement in hating the Jews; and what I want to figure out is to what extent is this the fault of the Jews themselves.

    I suppose if you believe that you are chosen people of God, you may have an arrogant attitude. However many American protestants believe that they are the true chosen people of God as well, as of course do any number of Muslims and even Russians. So why are Jews hated more than any of these groups?

    I want to understand this, and I am open for comments. Why do so many people hate the Jews? If I get reasonable responses to this, I may be in a position to tell the right people the things that they need to work on changing. So I am opening this for comments. Why do many people hate the Jews?
     
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    It's biblical.

    1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 = https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1thessalonians+2:14-16&version=NKJV;ERV;CEV;NLT;TLB
     
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    RE: Why do so many people hate the Jews?
    ※→ ibshambat, et al,

    By factoring (identifying the complete set of implications) in the question, the answer presents itself.

    (COMMENT)

    IF one come to a conscious decision to "hate" any one particular group defined by a religion (the people and cultural community holding a traditional religion), THEN they cannot be a among those that believe in the "Freedom of Religion" (they are prejudicial in the treatment and assessment of different categories of people based on the discrimination by religion). In this case, the "hatred" of Jews (Antisemitism) is the question.

    For more than a thousand years, the majority of people (from North Africa, through the Middle East, Central Asia, Russia and Europe) have for one reason or another --- justified the discrimination against the Jewish People (mostly with a hidden agenda of profit or power in mind). After more than a millennia, the Allied Powers of the very early 20th Century decided that they would attempt to reconstitute a national home in that territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Ottoman/Turkish Empire; then under allied control. The Allied Powers understood that positive steps needed to be taken in order to protect and preserved the Jewish People from the mistreatment by the majority. This never became more clear than the attempt at the extermination of the Jewish People during WWII.

    (COMMENT)

    The contemporary (1900 to the present) view held by those people that "hate" the Jewish People centers around the secure "establishment of the Jewish national home" (Mandate for Palestine) agreed upon by the Allied Powers. This objective was finally achieved by through a process that included setting an encouraged immigration program --- and --- laws "to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine."

    Without regards to the religious beliefs of the Jewish People themselves, the fact is, the Allied Powers decided to take the necessary corrective action to establish a jurisdiction that would protect Jewish People from governmental expulsion or eviction under the color of law.

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    Actually, since the time that Catholic Monarchs (in England and Europe) used official decrees to evict and expel the Jewish People from their jurisdictions (confiscating their wealth and property in the process), the hatred of the Jewish People has, over the last century (particularly since 1948 is about the establishment and protection of the "Jewish State" [Part II (Boundaries) --- Section B (Jewish State), UN Resolution 181(II)] and the preservation of the Jewish People.

    It should be noted that, in the last 1000 years, the no aspect or faction of the Jewish Culture has declared war on any country in the world. Not very many of the peoples of the world can make that claim. But the members of the Arab Higher Committee and the Arab League have initiated actions that provoked conflict with the Jewish State three times in the last seven decades.

    • Why do so many people hate the Jews?

    As you mentioned (supra) - the "Chosen People" issue is often mentioned. But this is not a real issue in that no real decisions were based on that premise by the Allied Powers in the establishment of the Jewish National Home. Again, in recent times (particularly the last half century) the ranting and ravings by the Arab Palestinians and supporting members of the Arab League, about the economic conditions, the land acquisition and occupation, apartheid, genocide, war crimes and what not --- are means used by the Hostile Arab Palestinians to keep the antisemitic flames burning. And while it is true, that the Jewish State has not always acted perfectly, whatever Israel has done to protect itself and its people does not compare to the past history of criminal behaviors exhibited by the Hostile Arab Palestinians.​

    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    If I understand it correctly, aversion against Jews is often based in an observation of Jews in position of power on several levels of society. This is attributed to some combination of malice, conspiracy, nepotism and so on.
     
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    RE: Why do so many people hate the Jews?
    ※→ ibshambat, et al,

    Yes, when I hear people (supposedly educated) basing any kind of contemporary judgment on something written (Isaiah is a prophet in Judah) more than 2700 years ago during the time of went there were Kings of Israel and Judah, I have to chuckle.

    (COMMENT)

    It is not really relevant to political claims or disputes of the modern day. I don't think there are any serious contenders for World Domination; with the exception of Pinky and the Brain.

    Most Respectfully,
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    To at least some degree......
    the problems that all of us face are partly caused by
    our own lack of understanding of the big picture.

    Hosea 4:6

    "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children."

    Judaism has been teaching the truth of reincarnation in some form for
    millennia......... but the average Jewish person may not be doing a great job
    of understanding the probable implications of this extremely important truth
    in their lives.

    I am a Christian who believes in reincarnation.... and I believe that the
    Jewish scholars that write on the hidden meaning in many verses in
    the Law and the Prophets are correct......... and if the average Jew on the street
    fully understood the implications of this they would be prepared to love others,
    both other Jews as well as Noahides and Gentiles...... at a higher level than
    has been the case from the time of the Patriarch Abraham.

    http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380599/jewish/Judaism-and-Reincarnation.htm

    Judaism and Reincarnation
    ....
    Basically..... if the average Israeli or Jew living on the street..... is
    grievously offended by the idea that Miss Anne Frank might reincarnate in our time
    period....... as a Christian....... then the average Israeli Jew or diaspora Jew........
    is missing the key that could assist greatly in bringing heaven to earth.


    http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=semkiw-anne-frank-barbro-karlen-reincarnation-past-life

    Reincarnation Case of Anne Frank | Barbro
    Karlen


    How Derived: Memories in Childhood
    From: And the Wolves Howled, by Barbro Karlen
    Article by Walter Semkiw, MD


    .....
    If the average Jew of 2017..... is too ignorant to handle and fully embrace the most likely
    implications of the Barbro Karlen / Anne Frank case.......... then what are they going to do
    with a possible Moshiach ben Ephrayim / Yosef who.......... exactly as predicted.......
    is for halachic purposes a non- Jew........ from the lost tribes of Israel..........
    but...... the man will succeed in getting the Jerusalem Third Temple built........
    and operational...... so that soon every word of Ezekiel chapter 40 - 48 will be
    fulfilled.

    I challenge any Jewish Mystic or scholar to come up with two better candidates for the roles
    of Moshiach ben Ephrayim and Moshiach ben David.......
    than I have put forward.

    Auditions for the role of Elijah needed....
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-for-the-role-of-elijah-needed.499830/page-3


    Note..... the reason why G-d allowed six million Jews to die in the holocaust.......
    was so that their grandchildren would be able to understand a series of events.....
    that will save the infinitely precious lives of SIX BILLION people from 2017 - 2070
    and onward.
     
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    If it is true that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus taught his disciples the following:

    and if it is true.... that the Scribes, Pharisees and Saducees and many priests
    reacted like the following:


    http://www.thomastwin.com/7 A Thomas samples.html

    Then...... the leaders of the Jews, back in the time of Rabbi Yeshua- Jesus were filled with hate.......
    and loved a low level of understanding of Judaism..........
    and lacked the deep humility that allows us to believe that G-d has set us up
    in such a way that we can understand that millions of people living on the earth now....... are probably our own
    great, great, great, great, great...... grand daughters or grand sons from some of our probable past lives.........

    ..... and also.... many leading Jewish scholars, Prophets, Patriarchs and wise men and women of the past......
    have probably incarnated as Gentiles in these latter days. So..... a Gentile can indeed have a ancient Jewish soul.......
    within them.

    And also.... obviously if we were one of the souls who incarnated before the time of Noah.... and if Noah is one of our own grandsons........ then we actually have seven billion great, great, great, great.... grandchildren living in 2017.
     
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    That is actually a pretty good theory........

    14 "For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will still choose Israel, and settle them in their own land. The strangers will be joined with them, and they will cling to the house of Jacob. 2 Then people will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them for servants and maids in the land of the Lord; they will take them captive whose captives they were, and rule over their oppressors."


    An important part of anti-Semitism is our own guilt.... and the continual questions I as a Christian
    ask myself. At this time in my life a now seventeen year old Israeli youth who had a near death
    experience back in 2015 has me asking myself if I should be far more strict with myself regarding
    observance of the Sabbath............. and should I perhaps even be wearing Noahide tzitzit (if they
    exist yet)?!

    I commented on this video......





    I have been studying near death experience accounts since 1990. I believe that Natan recounted all that he saw as accurately as any human could do so. But.... prayers can alter the events for the better. Physicists write about Multiverse Theory..... it means that Ezekiel 37 can occur again and again and again and new time lines can be spun off. Each one can be better.... as we pray and repent at a greater level.

    I completely agree with what Natan said that something as seemingly small as wearing Tzitzit can be very important. I am a Christian who looks at the words of Rabbi Yeshua differently than most do.

    "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." ...

    This sound a lot like what Natan said......

    Two years that are extremely important for the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple and the beginning of the fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 are 2070.... and 2030 for us Christians. If we support you in what you must do...... many troubles can be avoided. Millions, perhaps even billions of lives will be saved if Christian and some Muslims support the rebuilding of the Third Temple by 2030.... rather than the forty year delay.
     
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    I believe that you will like this article.

    I absolutely agree with author Ken Rank that unconscious biases play a huge role in
    anti-Semitic thought and behaviour patterns.

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-roots-of-western-anti-judaism/

    The Roots of Western anti-Judaism

     
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    No kidding. I cannot believe that would be a reason to hate an entire group of people nowadays.
     
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    I think jealousy plays a big part.
     
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    There is an increasingly wide definition of what constitutes 'hating' Judaism and 'Jewishness', this is becoming the counter problem to antisemitism itself.
     
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    I just attribute it to some people being nutty and paranoid conspiracy theorists. ;)
     
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    Yes...... there is that aspect of the formula.......
    plus a case could perhaps be presented that the monarchs and aristocrats of Europe set up several Jewish banking families...........
    in such a way that they could blame all the troubles experienced by the peasants...... on the Jews any time that things got
    especially bleak.

    I got a very strange message back in 2010 that I suspect could relate to the "paranoid conspiracy theory" that a coming
    Exodus of Jews from the USA...... on to Canada.... and then on to Israel....... could be only years or decades in the future.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...me-from-the-usa.391591/page-3#post-1065902750

    Could G-d be planning another Exodus? But this time from the USA????



     
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    There were some ancient prophecies in the early Roman Catholic Church that
    fuelled Anti-Semitism during the dark ages.

    I explained them to an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi friend of mine back in the year 2010.....
    but he probably knew about them already.

    .........

    The To Do List for the final Elijah is rather "messianic" isn't it?

    Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Ecclesiasticus Chapter 48
    These early Roman Catholic prophecies fit with many statements in the major and minor prophets of what happens on the earth during the next one thousand years or so.


    Isaiah 66:22, 23

    "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

    And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD."
     
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    Why do so many people hate the Jews?


    Because, stupid is as does.
     
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    It is absurd to hate a group of people based on an ancient scripture, but I don't see any other explanation for the strange persistence and periodic flare-ups of antisemitism. Other hatreds are usually more transient and have readily apparent sources; fear of spies and slanty-eye hysteria created the internment camps and Jap-hate during WW2; false-Islam terrorism and politically expedient lies are causing Muslim-hate nowadays, 150 years of slavery and segregation are drawing out black-hate, and so on.

    But not so with antisemitism; that ancient scripture is the only explanation I've heard, absurd as it is. Unless you have another?
     
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    I don't like to hate anyone. There are individuals that I dislike, but I don't hate any particular ethnic group. You are right, that is really stupid and ignorant. Not to mention, people who hate others like that will miss out on meeting some really cool people. Really, I think they are hurting themselves a lot more than those that they hate.
     
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    It's an interesting phenomenon.

    That other group (long referred to as "the Jews of the East"), the Chinese, have never been regarded in the same way Jews have, despite having an economical and business advantage everywhere they go. They have power and control, but are not despised in the same way.

    I really don't think it is about monopoly and power, in other words. I suspect it's something else.
     
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    Chinese are hated in many nations where they are a minority in Asia
     
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    They have never been 'expelled' from any nation but Indonesia (in the mid 60's .. and even then it was about communism). Individuals, and even societies, may hate the Chinese, but no one has ever really done anything about it. They have now, and have had for many centuries, free and complete access to every country on earth.
     
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    Don't agree with much of that, but I always like your posts and earnest intentions anyway, always informative.
     
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    The roots of it are due to Jewish orthodoxy, an extremely racist world view and culture, and its rabid persecutions of Christians, along with its aligning with the Islamists for centuries. This Jewish supremacy complex didn't really start to moderate itself until after the Renaissance, and a Jewish 'Enlightenment' in the late 18th century and early 19th century started producing 'secular' Jewish intellectuals in large enough numbers to reject the more extreme Orthodox views and freed Jewish intellectual traditions to run free. That's the short answer, and of course there are the usual exceptions, but that's the general trend over the centuries since the birth of the radical Jewish Rabbi Jesus and the new paradigm swept over the West. The history of Jews Behaving Badly is longer than most will admit to, but they mostly got over it the last couple hundred years. This is not to say much of the ridiculous nonsense about them is justified, just that there are reasons of historical accuracy for not pretending they've always been poor hapless victims, just because they say so; they have their own history of genocides and allying with other genocidal maniacs.
     
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