Why do you believe in God ?

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  1. Robert

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    The congress promised us all not to interfere with religion.
     
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    So, you see the Nazis as Christians. Well, perhaps they were Catholic or Lutheran. When I was living in Germany, I saw those two churches. So you equate a homosexual to a Jew? What do the Jews have to say about homosexuals?
     
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    Why as there is a long long history of large scale pogroms by Christians toward Jews and it is amusing that at times Muslim rulers had acted to save the lives of Jews from Christians.
     
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    Last I heard catholic and Lutherans were Christians
    No I do not equate homosexuality to Jews
    I am trying to make the point that Christians have the same capabilities of violence and hate as the Muslims you seem to single out.
    What do you think the Jews had to say about homosexuals? As a group I would imagine they would be most tolerant
     
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    What you make it seem to be is that the reason why Hitler denounced Jews and murdered them is because he was a Christian. I believe, and you might know a way to correct my view, that he abandoned religion. Hitler was their supreme ruler so the Germans did as they were told to do or suffer death as well.
     
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    You don't recall Muslims invading Israel and killing Jews? Renee now thinks of Hitler as a Christian. Raised a Catholic in Austria, he did have family that attended the Catholic church. I can't find evidence he was loyal to the Catholic Church.
     
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    You seem to single out Muslims as being violent. You seem to make Isis represent all Muslims. I am not talking only about Hitler I am talking about all the good Christian neighbors of the Jews who looted their apartments who did nothing and contributed to their extermination,
    If a Muslim said that the leaders of isis are abandoning the real religion would you accept that? Yet you separate Hitler that’s not representative of Christians. It’s just your hypocrisy. Have you ever been to the HolocaustMuseum? You should go as it might educate you as to the role Christians played. Most Christians are good people but history has shown us that they are capable of the worst violence is well
     
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    Here is what the Jews say.

     
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    Hey being a Christian is not a club that you can get kicked out of. Hitler hated Jews because they were not Christians. He wanted to exterminate everyone of that faith and millions of Christians went along with it. The churches were doing just fine during that period of time
     
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    Lol...Most Jews are intelligent enough to know that the Bible of thousands of years ago does not represent the viewpoints of today. The biggest advocates for gay rights per capita are Jews.
     
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    You expect to treat the World's Christians as being in perfect harmony with Adolph Hitler. I think that is called Godwins law.

    Rather than you say people living in Germany under the ruthless dictatorship of Hitler did as they were told, you treat them as upstanding Christians. Then you defend Muslims. Fine to defend Muslims provided you do it for Christians as well. When the Atheists of the Soviet union also executed the Jews, would you do this to Atheists as well?
     
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    Neither Jefferson or Paine two of our major founding fathers for one would agree with you.
     
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    I extended this to the Atheists executing Jews so it will be revealing to see if you also attack them.

    Based on my study of Adolph the ruthless dictator, he was more kin to the Atheists than to any Christians or their Churches. Prior to his terror reign, the public of Germany had got used to the Jews being blamed for money issues of Germany. They had a terrible depression prior to Hitler showing up to lead Germany and the popular thinking is it was due to Jews. I believe this was a standing belief even dating back to the 1800s. So Hitler never invented it.

    I believe what is accurate to say is that Hitler felt about the same vs the Jews that our own FDR felt.
     
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    Jefferson was in Europe during the founding. Paine was not party to the convention to create our founding documents.
     
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    I showed you context. I see only your opinion. What are gay rights? How are they different than my rights. I am LDS.

    In our Bill of Rights, nothing there about marriage if that is your route today.
     
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    Funny they did as they was told indeed.......sorry a very very large percent of the German people who happen to be Christians at the time agree with Hitler.


     
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    A reformed sect seems to agree with you. Sort of like the Born Again Christian sect.
     
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    And it was not due to Hitler but a longstanding political view about Jews. It was not based on religion but banking and money. Same thing Democrats of today hate so much. Bankers and rich people.
     
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    So you are claiming that they was not two of our founding fathers and that their opinions and writings had no impact on the form of our government?????
     
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    Come on most Jews at the time was not all that wealthy and like all the other pogroms of Jews in history the fact that they was able to be label Jesus killers mean that they could be used as targets for people like Hitler.
     
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