Why does god put the needs of the few above the needs of the many?

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  1. Greatest I am

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    Why does god put the needs of the few above the needs of the many?

    That moral tenet is about the only objective moral tenet I know of that has not been shown to ever be subjective. Yahweh seems to be doing the wrong thing.

    We are told that most of us will end on the wide road to hell while the few end on the narrow path to heaven.

    It is demonstrable that nature creates for the best possible end.

    Why does Yahweh not follow the better rules he gave nature, and creates us for the worst possible end for the vast majority of us?

    A decent father would not have the morals or ethics Yahweh seems to follow.

    If true, then we end with more souls lost to Satan than souls saved by Yahweh. Even as scriptures say that Yahweh wills that all souls be saved.

    God not getting his will is not allowed. God must always come out ahead. Something is not right for god.

    Thoughts?

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    What are yours?

    When man was formed and was given breath, and when Eve was formed from man, and when the animals were already there; the previous 'created ones'... there were only 2 living 'souls', as humans, and animals which had breath.

    Now there are over 7 billion 800 million persons on the Earth, each with their own 'rights' and 'ideas' as to how life should be lived.... and how 'life' should be protected.

    Proverbs 17:15 says, "He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD."

    while the Earth is being condemned, so it seems much more than being justified.... So... There is something wrong with God? There is something wrong with Christ Messiah? With both, something is wrong while They sit side by side in the Heavens? Then comes The Heavenly Father who is even 'Higher' than where God and Christ Messiah are sitting.... And They all 3 look down from Heaven to see if anything is Good? To see if anyone seeks after Good? And if They do find any, then still...... the condemning of the just... the justifying of the wicked... persons saying to the wicked, you are righteous.....

    Proverbs 24:24 "He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:"

    Since when did this begin and since when was this fixed? Not for the sake of individual 'shame' or 'grace'; but for the sake of The Entire Earth and Population and Earth with less or more population in the future.

    In the year 2100, how many years from now would that be? Only 80.

    I'm over the age of 21 this year... I will be over the age of 101 in 80 years... I probably will not be here... neither any persons who were justified or condemned... but the Earth will be...

    So the question doesn't so much go for populations or ideas or propagandas. It goes for individual souls and lives. It doesn't go for majority 'rule'.. it doesn't even go for 'majority religion'... it goes for individual lives.. 1 by 1 by 1.. a meaningful life.. 1 by 1 by 1.


    You can't gauge your stance to this day, to this generation, to the events occurring based off some human being's man made ideas of how Holy Scripture is to be 'interpreted'...

    What's sort of funny is that many would say that they are keen at interpreting Holy Scriptures; while it is in in English, and based off which version they are referring to, yet they don't speak nor have knowledge of any Hebrew or Greek (language), to do some true 'interpreting'.


    And you want 'these' to be 'justified'?


    Not only other humans 'justifying' such speakers in Churches, but humans also justifying such speakers in The 3 Branches of The U.S.A. Government.

    based off their 'own' ideas... not based on any True 'writ'....

    The U.S.A. Constitution is a True 'writ' which is supposed to defend and make and pass bills and laws based off from, Not from 'interpretations' of the already written True 'writ'.
     
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    The U.S.A. Constitution is the oldest Constitution in the world....

    Which other Constitutional Country keeps with their own Constitution (in writ) in Truth? When did these Countries begin learning that it was okay to breach their own 'written' Constitution?


    I'm thinking.. The new Countries which adopted a Constitutional type Government into their heritage(s)..... Would they be able to 'annul' this if the majority of their citizens wanted their previous way of Government back?


    [​IMG] Constitution of Afghanistan January 4, 2004 10,227
    [​IMG] Constitution of Albania November 28, 1998 13,826
    [​IMG] Constitution of Algeria September 8, 1963 10,038
    [​IMG] Constitution of Andorra February 2, 1993 8,740
    [​IMG] Constitution of Angola January 21, 2010 27,181
    [​IMG] Constitution of Antigua and Barbuda October 31, 1981 38,464
    [​IMG] Constitution of Argentina May 1, 1853 12,514
    [​IMG] Constitution of Armenia July 5, 1995 13,786
    [​IMG] Constitution of Australia January 1, 1901 17,318
    [​IMG] Constitution of Austria October 1, 1920 41,366
    [​IMG] Constitution of Azerbaijan November 12, 1995 17,354
    [​IMG] Constitution of The Bahamas 1973 41,835
    [​IMG] Constitution of Bahrain February 14, 2002 10,806

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_constitutions


    A series of steps over four decades led to the creation of the EU in 1993

    https://www.thoughtco.com/the-history-of-the-european-union-1221595



    Many of us were high school and college graduates in 1993.
     
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    So imagine a world that is being ruled over by recently graduated college students; starting 1993.

    Where would any 'tradition' be and why would these newly graduated college students not want to keep with their own tradition but rather seeking to create a break between the 'old' and the 'new'?

    Because without any added 'special privileges', their own would be able to provide for their own in their own way(s). But that is ONLY without any added 'special privileges'; even those extra added 'empathy' to the newly graduated college 'children'... 'yay, son... you graduated'!, privileges.


    I mean, you can't start a new business without having some old monies around, right?


    1993 - 40 years.. = 1953.. Who wasn't alive in 1953? These 'were not alives' are the ones making the rules for those who were.


    (I)sa(i)ah 40:31 "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."


    Psalm 103:2-5 "Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
    3Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;
    4Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies;
    5Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's."
     
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    I created my son's for their best possible end. You?

    All animals but us were created in breeding pairs.

    Why was rib woman an afterthought for Yahweh?

    Is the Yahweh you know the Jewish androgynous god or the triplets that Christianity came up with when they usurped him from the Jews?

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    So, yes... things can become pretty depressing, right?

    Well, at least until The LORD God blesses Their Earth with the above verses and others...
     
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    I guess each has their own range of vocabulary and words... Maybe your words are in good intent.. But no... the animals in the very beginning did not 'breed'.

    The rib was used so as to not form another from the dust of the Earth and so that the woman would be from the male, and thus be as 1.

    YHWH is not the Jewish God... Nor was Christ Messiah Jewish. However YHWH is LORD over all nations and tongues and peoples.. even and including the Yebuses. And The triplet idea requires that a pair of adults, man and female, gave birth and life...
     
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    Blessed it then cursed it in gen 3.

    I see that simple questions are beyond your capabilities to answer.

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    DL
     
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    They were more one before the separation.
    I said breeding pair. Not a pair that was breeding.

    So Jesus was not a Jew.

    Go away. You are too stupid for this place.

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    It's a simple matter of free agency. Individuals choose what suits them. God chooses what suits him. If you have a business, would you man it with criminal minded, unreliable people with questionable standards. Or would you man it with the best people who have the highest standards.
     
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    Why are you comparing me to an all powerful god?

    Do we have the same powers?

    If you want another reply, speak to the issues in the O.P.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    God should've listen to Spock in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
     
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    Why do you presume to know what you are doing, and then say that God does not know what he is doing? The issue is your distortion of the plan of salvation. I addressed it by realignment. Where you take it from there is your business.
     
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    Blessed... cursed....

    cursed the serpent, the man, the woman.. the ground...

    Yet in Genesis 1, God blessed the 7th day and sanctified it. Yet all prior to the 7th day was Good.


    So.. from Good, to Blessed, to cursed, to blessed through Christ Messiah... Once again.. not the realities of what IS and what IS not but rather of individual life... 1 by 1 by 1... being needing tending to...

    in other words, man can sit and argue with things they are unsure about or they can actually do something 'good' for another 'life'...

    Political seats with such 'men'... what is being done towards the 'good' for individuals, 1 by 1 by 1, rather than for 'groups' that yell out micro-aggressive! micro-aggressive!
     
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    And the issue is seen clearer... With youths rising into these seats, of course they are going to 'side' with their own peer age groups and the 'youths' of today of which they understand when issues of 'feeling left out', or 'feeling prejudiced towards', and other 'personal emotional pains associated with their own youth and taunts' are made more and more of the 'issues' at hand... Rather than Political reasons as to why Constitution was written, they will side with personal issued agendas....

    The past Presidents, Mr. Trump and Mr. Obama were in their 70's and 50's; respectively, show how the ages to these 'leaders' do make differences to the Nation's policies and directions..

    Mr. Biden also being in the 70s age range makes the years of birth be from the 60's, 40's, and this will only allow for future Presidents to have been born in the 80's, 90's and onward... Maybe the 70's. And what were the issues that the Country faced when these future Presidents were in their youths in the years of the 80's 90's and possibly the 70's?


    It's pretty simple to see... when a person puts his/her own ideas of what is and what is not 'good' for another, the person is fighting opinions to opinions... When a person puts his/her Country's Writ with its laws and rules as to what is and what is not good for another, the person is 'defending' The Constitution.
     
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    Private businesses and tax breaks and tax related issues.... Government and private ventures... this is not why Government was placed and established.


    What gives Leaders of State reasons and incentives to do 'good'.

    When The Bank is under the accountability of State/Country rather than having it be under the individuals who say they could care less if they see the 'hereafter' or not.


    But let's not forget those Country's where their National Currency is used corruptly. Government corruption with their own monies while neglecting their own 'needy'.
     
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    Pertinent dialog was?

    Drum roll.

    P.S. My fav is; Can I am just asking a question. What does God need with a starship?

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    Are you suggesting that Yahweh's perfect plan is off the rails?

    Even after Adam accepted by force, Yahweh's unjust judgement?

    Really?

    Oh ye of little faith.

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    "The needs of the many outweight the need of the few, or the one." - Spock
     
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    Why would God created Adam and gave him free will and then created only one woman, Eve, and force him to live with her instead of creating many women, and men, and letting him chose if he wanted a mate or not. After all, since god can create human from dirt, why bother with matrimony and child birth...
     
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    Jesus refutes your view. He said that the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath.

    He would say the same for religions and gods. That is why he had to run for his life more than once.

    That is all a part of the obstacles all heroes archetypes are given in fantasy literature.

    Only "Good" you wrote.

    You have to change your interpretation of that word as scriptures say that Yahweh is perfect and that all that emanates from perfection is perfection.

    This is why Americans use the term, more perfect. This does not insult religions, as it allows the fantasy to continue as a part of the Noble Lie.

    The bible also says that we are to strive both for and against gods.

    Non believers do, in a sense, and believers only idol worship imperfect and really vile gods.

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    Adam did not have a free informed choice to exercise his will on. The bible is clear in many places that god does not allow free will.

    If I ask you to choose a door without you knowing what lies beyond, can you know if the right or the left is the best possible end?

    Neither could Adam. Right?

    He had a blind choice but was smart enough to just shut up and eat when his time came to graduate from this coming of age yarn.

    Too bad the Christians can't explain it correctly. Literalists. Bah.


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    Hey, feel lucky that they decided to take the feminine out of Yahweh, an androgynous god, and did not leave Adam there with only Satan to admire as a female form.

    Yay for rib woman. Yahweh's afterthought for man. What a low thing to do to Adam and Eve, eh?

    And women were so handy and worth a lot of cash.

    Oh well. Misogyny and homophobia must be maintained at all costs.

    Not in my world. Yours?.

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    But still... Think about it... We don't even know how she looked. Maybe she was a Karen?!? And he suposedly lived for centuries, and had to put up with that... Oy!
     
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    Well, we don't really know why Satan was pushed out. Maybe he was in a gay relationship with God, but he was caught doing the dirty with Cherub... So down to the basement he went.
     

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