why dont we just pray our way out of all problems?

Good point....and for those members who think the point is where is MOM...that is NOT the point.

The point is that only HUMANS would assume a GOD has gender....or that a GOD....would have anything vagely in common with Human Life.

AboveAlpha

 

Revelation was refused entry into the Bible more than 7 Times.

It was thought that Revelation was too Old Testament...too Wrath of a petty GOD....and not in tune with the Love and Foregiveness in the New Testament.

That is until Church Politics changed as adding Revelation in 397 AD seemed a good idea to allow more CONTROL over people.

It still took until 417 AD for Revelation to be added to the Bible as many REFUSED to allow it...but this rediculous story finally was.

AboveAlpha

 

There exists a concept that Lucifer is actually doing a service to GOD by punishing the wicked.

The whole Heven/Hell thing is a contradiction as how can a GOD that has an overall PLAN and suposedly created everything and knows everything that will come to pass because he makes it so....can also have Freewill existing?

Answer....it can't.

AboveAlpha

 

they probably should have stuck to the earlier model of a god. An omniscient being who has evil as such an important part of his plan, although he himself is good, leads one to ask, for what purpose did he create evil?

alternatively, an omniscient being that made such a grave error of judgement is a contradiction.

either way, once you begin to think about it, such a god makes no sense.

 

the bible says it's cause god is a jealous god, kinda like a jealous ex-boyfriend that seems a little nutty

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+34:14&version=KJV

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Exodus 34:14King James Version (KJV)

14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
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yeah, well jealous or petty doesn't fit with an all powerful being .... if they wanted him to be like that, why didn't they stick to a more simple, fallible god.

there's plenty of greek and roman gods ... and others as well ... who are jealous, demanding, throw tantrums when someone crosses them and who generally behave like poorly socialised teenagers.

someone who is all powerful exhibiting such behaviour .... well ... seems to me like he's got some pretty deep rooted problems.

not someone you would trust to run the show.

 

that should be the first sign that this is a lessor God that they believe in

 

Exactly....when one looks at the world and Human activity and Human Nature one understands that Human Nature falls exactly in line with NATURE ITSELF.

In Nature all living things tend to eat other living things in order to grow and survive.

When a Life Form encounters COMPETITION by another Life Form the two living things will FIGHT TO THE DEATH if necessary in order to survive.

This is seen in Nature from two Male Lions fighting over a Pride of Females and the victorious Male will KILL all the CUBS that are the progeny of the other defeated Male.

When TREES compete for SUNLIGHT with other trees the Tree that grows stronger, faster and taller survives as the loser of such a growth contest either dwarfs or dies.

And the reality is everything that is alive eventually becomes FOOD for some other Life Form.

Thus when Human's war over resources or kill over a woman....or do all those suposedly AGAINST GOD'S COMMANDMENTS....activities....IT IS SIMPLY NATURE.

AboveAlpha

 

while I agree that looking at the natural world can help identify certain aspects of human nature, I think the way you represent it is too simple.

as a species, humans are a social animal, and for species such as these, there are other behaviours that aid survival which are more positive. All cultures have laws against killing. So while invading another country over resources, or the tendency to dehumanise others we identify as not of our pack, are good examples of why we as a species act the way we do, for a man to kill another man over a woman would generally not be regarded as acceptable, as this would destabilise the pack, or tribe.

killing the progeny of another has certainly occurred among some humans, as well as other species, but it is by no means universal. One example where this did not occur is among the Ok people, in the highlands of Nu Guinea. When they would attack another tribe, they would bring the dead parents back to their village as meat, but bring small children back to raise them as their own. There were reasons for this. High infant mortality rates meant that the purpose of these rads was not just for meat, but also to ensure the continuance of their tribe through having more children who could survive to adulthood.

Of course there are numerous examples where killing the children of others, especially during conflict, occurs, but even in more simple pre industrial societies, killing children of ones own tribe is unacceptable.

we don't need the ten commandments to tell us killing others is wrong. Our instincts as social animals tell us this is wrong.

 

Well I certainly agree with you except that in the case of your thinking I am using too simple a representation as far as Human Instict and Behavior exhibiting all the signs that connect Human Behavior to Nature...well.....take a moment to consider what the reply would be or the general lack of understanding existing within those of EXTREME FAITH after they read a much more comprehensive and detailed explaination from me? LOL!!!

BABY STEPS!!!

In another Topic it took me almost a MONTH to explain to a rather lacking in Education specific to Science and Mathematics...MEMBER....that Photons did not have Mass...nor where they the same as Protons!! LOL!!

So sometimes it is best to keep it simple.

AboveAlpha