Why elevate the legal status of the unborn above the born?

How can we know that?

 

Take it to the Religion Forum where I'm sure you can prove there is a "god'....LOL (Hint: No one has yet)

And personal beliefs should not be in politics.

 

I tried but failed. Our reality isn't possible without a divine being who created it and keeps track of it.

 

Whatever... IF there is this "divine being" it sure is doing a lousy job with humans and the earth....now take it to the religion forum....

 

apparently you failed to comprehend what was being said.
Its YOUR claim not mine, you prove it, DUH

 

What are your qualifications to judge such a matter in the first place fox?

 

It's the topic here, bro;

Our Creator commanded our women to bear children as HE also did on any other species.

Some of us don't accept this and foster abortions.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Take it to the Religion Forum where I'm sure you can prove there is a "god'....LOL (Hint: No one has yet)

And personal beliefs should not be in politics.

Apparently you failed to comprehend who said what.

I did NOT claim there was a god.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Whatever... IF there is this "divine being" it sure is doing a lousy job with humans and the earth....now take it to the religion forum....

Some people do not believe that and they have that right. YOU canNOT command others to follow what you think your god commanded.

I see you also compare women to animals...pathetic.

Some of us don't accept this (preachers saying they know what god wants) and we use logic , reason, common sense, human rights , and the real world.

LOL BTW, why did your god invent MISCARRIAGES ???

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Whatever... IF there is this "divine being" it sure is doing a lousy job with humans and the earth....now take it to the religion forum....

Being in the real world.

 

How did you get here?

 

Doesn't matter what people believe. God created mankind, owns us, and is in full control of us. That's what HIS book, the holy Quran, tells us.

We're not allowed to murder our descendants. This is written in the Quran. If you do it anyway, you will face a severe penalty. May God forgive our mistakes.

 

A space ship brought me....

 

Have your opinion BUT

Some people do not believe that and they have that right.

YOU canNOT command others to follow what you think your god commanded.

 

RE: Why elevate the legal status of the unborn above the born?
SUBTOPIC: Awareness
※→. Kokomojojo, Maquiscat, et al,

This is a great question. An interrogative for an inquiring mind. I am very sure that I have seen a similar question earlier in this discussion.

(ANSWER)

The why in the original question concerning “elevate the legal status” is a man-made assignment shrouded in quasi-scientific determinations, political necessity, and religious faith.

(SHORT ANSWER)

Your implied answer is correct... We cannot know the answer to that question.

(Stop Here if you are not interested in the derivation.)

(COMMENT)

But all great questions on this subject, we must remain relevant to the original subject. We have introduced the notion that the is a legal difference between: “born” and “unborn.” And that is straightforward (an IF-THEN issue): IF the subject under discussion is still inside the birthing mother, THEN it is “unborn.” This distinction is man-made. The notion can be tested against the “scientific method.” It is not supernatural.

The new notion (the link to a “soul” and the subject’s “self-awareness”), in order to be relevant, must be a component to the original interrogative: the legal difference between “unborn and born.” There is not a link.

Our friend “Kokomojojo” implies the element of “life” and (tangentially) “death.” HE implies that if the subject is born “dead” the question of the soul is moot. And so we place this in the realm of “valid.”

So, this is where it gets very interesting. What do we have?

◈ The “soul”

◈ “(self) awareness”

◈ “life”​

These are not legal issues. The soul is a metaphysical term for study. Awareness can be an element brought under formal study, but clearly within limits. Life is the inverse of death. Living activity can be detected by instruments. In the absence of these activities, we rule out “life” as a viable condition.

So, we have no idea of what a “soul” is or is not. At birth and the immediate periods following the birth, we do not know how to test for awareness. But we can test for reactions by the newborn.

The “Kokomojojo” implies a linkage between “life,” → “soul” and “awareness.” And that is a huge assumption.

◈ What is the source of the “soul?”

◈ In a pre-born, did the “soul” pass from the birth mother to child?

◈ Did the “soul” uniquely manifest itself in the newborn?​

The assumption here is that there is such a quality called a “soul” and we can define the qualities of the soul.

◈ Either there is a “soul” or there is not a “soul.”

◈ Either there is proof of a “soul” or there is no proof of a “soul.”​

These are Metaphysical questions studied in the Noetic Sciences. And in some circles, the study itself is quite controversial. Remember, the belief in a Supreme Being is a belief in that which cannot be explained by accepted scientific theory or tested by conventional scientific methods. (Parascience)

• Parapsychology in Perspective
  Blog Entry by Lucas Richert Ph.D. - Oct 30, 2019
  … of Parapsychology and Medicine (1970), the Institute of Parascience (1971), the Academy of Religion and Psychical …

Most Respectfully,
R

 

what proof do you have you are in the real world?

 

The point is PROVING your claim

DOes not matter if you prove there is or isnt, you need to prove there is not God.

What does a divine being mean?
A god or goddess. 2. a. The essential nature or condition of being a god; divinity.

definition of Divine being by The Free Dictionary
https://www.thefreedictionary.com › Divine+being
Search for: What does a divine being mean?

 

That's true, but I can warn them about the consequences of their wrongdoing. They can ignore that, but will surely recognize sometimes already in this world, that they have committed a capital offense.

Abortion is murder. Nobody can't downplay that.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Apparently you failed to comprehend who said what.

I did NOT claim there was a god.

Nope, I didn't present the concept of a god...those that did are the ones who must prove it.

I don't have to "prove " something isn't there....that's ridiculous.
Apparently you failed to comprehend who said what.

I did NOT claim there was a god.

...dictionary definition doesn't prove a "divine being" exists ...

OH, look up the definition of unicorn !!!

That'll prove they exist !!!

 

You are welcome to your opinion ...as long as it's only opinion and you don't try to force it on others......

 

bullshit!
if you claim you do not have a stolen rolex on your wrist you damn right you have to prove there is no stolen rolex on your wrist.

The unnerving part of this is you actually appear to believe the foolishness you post.

it was not intended to prove a divine being exists, only to help you understand that there is no difference.

 

Nice!

 

Which can be easily done by holding out your wrist...and everyone knows Rolexes exist...

The unnerving part of this is you actually appear to believe the foolishness you post.


And, now , since this thread was dumped into the Religion Forum...I'm gone.....the religious can feel free to demonize women...

Abortion issues shuold be in the abortion forum

 

Oh and here I thought you were leaving because you posted some indefensible stupid ****.

 

Uh, no, that would be you...