Why EVERYONE'S right to free speech is important...

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  1. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol...Your great orange hope wants to rescind the first amendment.
    I bet you'll still vote for him, though, so your whine is hypocritical.
     
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    Then why did the NRA try to enact legislation limiting freedom of speech
     
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    That's my view too.

    In the simplest example you have the right to free speech, but not the right to be insulated from the consequences of what you say.

    I have the right to say what I want - you have the right to legal redress if what I have said has caused harm.

    The difficulty I have with this is the inequality of access to redress. Some people and organisations have the legal and financial clout to intimidate others into not seeking redress or dragging out that redress until the other person runs out of money. That kind of makes a mockery out of having to face the consequences.
     
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    First off Alex Jones has damaged nothing I can't believe you think you're going to get this utter nonsense by anybody, and we don't need any controls nobody needs to control anything what we need to do is press hard hard against anyone that says we need controls. If it means riots we Riot If It Means War we War.

    If you can't live here with other people having the right to free speech this is not your country maybe you should find another one.
     
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    That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard the NRA does not have that power.
     
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    Well yes so you can't scream fire in a crowded theater you can't slander people I don't think anybody's arguing for those abilities
     
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    He doesn't have that power. So running around screaming that the sky is falling is laughable.
     
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    There is no free speech so long as there is not free speech for all.
     
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    Trump has shown no effort or action to curtail freedom of speech or press. He has exercised his constitutional right to free speech in his criticism of the MSM, who in return want to curtail his freedom of speech. You have it all backwards.
     
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    Good quote and all but why treat it like an absolute? Also, why the fck is any rational person speaking out for white supremacists, neo-Nazis, terrorists and the like? If "they" came for them my life and a lot of other people's lives would not change in the slightest, and the world at large will move on with or without them.
     
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    You cannot prove that it did.
     
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    The govt is not shutting down Infowars hate speech.
     
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    People you do not like who hold positions you do not like have the same right to free speech that you do.
    If you are OK with the state suppressing their right to free speech, you have no standing to complain when it does the same to you.
     
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    Did you know that nearly half of Republicans were fine with giving Trump the power to shut down the news sources he deemed as bad?
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-p...nt-to-give-trump-the-power-to-shut-down-media
     
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    The state suppressing their right is a problem and illegal. Individuals or private businesses or private groups doing that is within their rights.
     
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    And so... if you are OK with the private sector suppressing their right to free speech, you have no standing to complain when it does the same to you.
     
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    Very few people really believe in free speech, because very few people have a thought-out, coherent ideology. So when confronted with the issue of someone advocating anything that stirs them emotionally -- someone advocating the extermination of Jews, the killing of Blacks, the deportation of the Palestinians, the defeat of Israel, victory for the Viet Cong, supporting the police, undermining the police ... you name it ... they will naturally, reflexively oppose their 'right' to say or print such things.

    The Right has only, in the last few decades, come around to a sort of recognition of free speech. Better late than never.

    The non-Communist Left was always in favor of it, but as Leftism has moved into 'identity politics', it has simultaneously moved away from support of free speech that might hurt the feelings of one of its chosen victim groups. This is why conservatives have their meetings attacked on elite liberal campuses: the simple-minded Leftist view is that poor people are poor only because of capitalism -- nothing to do with their own behavior -- and young Leftists can't stand to hear any arguments that suggest otherwise.

    It's also the case that, as American capitalism has grown more and more prosperous for its middle class, young middle class people have developed a greater and greater sense of entitlement. They take it for granted that all of their desires should be granted, which includes not hearing anything that might upset them.

    If Trump had even half a brain, he'd make it clear that, while the media are biased, he is in no way against their right to be biased. As it is, he lets the Left conflate the question of 'Are the media honest and neutral and trustworthy?' with the question of 'should they be allowed to project a particular political viewpoint while claiming to be neutral?'

    A good example of how to deal with the biased media is to be found in the UK, where the media had hoped to lynch the conservative leader Boris Johnson, who recently wrote what everyone thinks about Islamic male-supremacy-submission-clothing on women. liberal

    But he knows how to deal with the media ... you don't get angry at them, you laugh at them.
     
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    He most definitely has! He is attempting to label the press "the enemy of the people"

    What are you talking about? Trump is the government. The first amendment is intended to protect us (the people: including the MSM) from the government, not the other way around. Read your Constitution!

    His attacks on freedom of speech are among his most egregious acts. And it need to be one of his main articles of impeachment, if we are ever to recover our Democracy and Constitutionality.
     
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    The 1st protects you from government intrusion and punishment. There is nothing in there about private sectors or individuals.
     
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    The private sector is not "suppressing" Jones's free speech

    Bannon and the Alt-R have the money and means to start their own private social media outlets. The gummit isn't interfering. They could probably be set up as not for profits too.
     
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    If the NFL fines / suspends players for kneeling during the anthem, has their right to free speech been suppressed?
     
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    The left tells us they are all for free speech and accept all ideas. That is until they find out you have ideas that dont fall in lock step with theirs. They are the most closed minded people in the country.
     
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    Would you (try) to explain exactly how that curtails freedom of speech/press? I mean it is not like Trump wiretapped reporters of the AP, or made plans for federal monitors in the editing rooms like Obama did.
    It is sad you do not understand that a president has the protection of the bill of rights.
     
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    there is already a control, and you have one right in your very own home! its is called the off button.
     
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    you be sure to call me when he starts putting journalists im prison. then, and only then, will you have a point.
     

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