Why Gun Control is doomed to fail......

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  1. DoctorWho

    DoctorWho Well-Known Member

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    Gun Control is doomed to failure on every level, and every compartment and will eventually self destruct, why ?
    Hillary Clinton would have been elected had she kept her mouth shut on gun issues, rather than shoot her mouth off and shooting herself in the foot.
    Foot & mouth disease, human varient....

    Today, concealed carry is increasing at a great rate, the police are not tasked to protect you as an individual, you need to protect yourself and loved ones.

    LGBT have realized that Guns are not bigoted and will provide a defense.

    Terrorists don't care, you need Assault weapons to face them, not a semiautomatic rifle, but an M-16 or an H&K G3..... with an M-203...... end the 1986 ban and the 1939 NFA too....

    Gun control is a Religion, why ?
    You need faith to follow Gun Ban and Gun restriction advocates, since facts do not trouble them a bit.
    Hystrionics, hyperbole, do it for the children !
    Damn the facts, full speed ahead !
    As we progress Gun Control is circling the drain.....
    It is only a matter of time.

    Gun Control will die a slow death,
    Ding dong the witch is dead !!!

    lol
     
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    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The BM had their time...it didn't work. The adults in the nation have seen that and are moving towards a more realistic view. The holdouts will be forced to recognize that anti gun laws only hurt their law abiding constituents and be forced to admit defeat. Amen on your post brother.
     
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    Gun control is not compatible with a society based on personal freedom and liberty.

    Laws which give society the tools it needs to punish the malefactors that threaten society are perfectly valid; laws which place infringements upon the rights of those who have committed no crime are not.
     
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    Do you realize that Reagan outlawed a complete class of weapons and I had a challenge at the time: Provide me a case where a legally held full auto was ever used in a crime. He couldn't do it and still outlawed the weapons.

    Not many owned them and didn't care. Then everything under twelve inches became a Saturday Night Special and everything over that was an assault weapon or a sniper rifle. Now the sheeple are waking up.
     
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    This explains the anti-gun left's addiction to it.
     
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    What a shame the NRA cannot control the states that allow citizens
    to vote on it.

    Only on members of Congress who have, after millions of dollars in
    campaign contribution, not only disallowed the will of the overwhelming
    majority of Americans on issues such as requiring background checks
    on all gun sales - closing the giant loophole- have for decades not even
    allowed government organizations such as the CDC to even investigate
    firearm deaths.

    More than half the states allow citizen initiatives.

    We - the 90 percent of Americans who support universal background
    checks - have started there.
     
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    Americans do not consider you selling firearms to felons a personal freedom.
     
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    barefoot2626 Well-Known Member

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    Congress has for thirty years blocked all attempts to track firearm
    fatalities.
     
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    You need to find new talking points.
    I understand the VPC refreshes their every Tuesday at 1200 Pacific.
     
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    And yet, they are tracked, by at least 2 federal entities.
     
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    Under what circumstances is it legal to sell a firearm to a felon?
     
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    barefoot2626 Well-Known Member

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    Straw man.
     
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    barefoot2626 Well-Known Member

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    No, they aren't.
     
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    Not if I am addressing your posts, shug.
     
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    Both the CDC and FBI track gun deaths, the former tracks gun deaths of all kinds, the latter those related to crime.
    Websites available upon request.
     
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    I've seen two types of anarchaic societies, one with lots of guns around and one without many. The one without many was able to be drawn back into a condition of law and order much more quickly than the other. But a condition of law and order entails some degree of "tyranny", as one power must be in a position to enforce its rules (read: government enforcing its laws).

    In extremis, the properties of "freedom" and "liberty" are incompatible with commerce and life expectancy.
     
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    Gun control is a bad idea because it involves limiting the number of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens vs. criminals who will not register, thus giving criminals a leg up. It's a very anti-American measure per the constitution and because it puts American law-abiding citizens at more risk.
     
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    Your response wasn't to me, and so you weren't addressing my post.
    Your repetitive use of canned talking points illustrates a shallow mal-understading of the subject matter, one that cannot stand any level of scrutiny.
    Shug.
     
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    In your wildest dreams you don't have ninety percent of the Americans on your side. Even if you did (and you don't) it is irrelevant. A popularity vote cannot change ANYTHING in the Bill of Rights.

    In order to constitutionally change the Right to keep and bear Arms, you need an amendment to the Constitution. You should never have to undergo a background check in order to exercise a Right guaranteed under the Constitution. Nobody is ever required to forfeit their Fourth Amendment Rights in order to exercise their Second Amendment Rights. It would be a cold day in Hell before I complied with such laws.

    Vote all you want. In a Republic the laws protect the minority from the majority anyway. Every time you vote, you lose and then you come right back again. Did it dawn on you that Hitlery lost over this very issue?
     
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    Unquestionably, gun control laws that limit the rights of the law abiding, over time, only serve to reduce the number of guns in the hands of same.
     
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    And gun control is a steep step in confiscation. I know the libs hate hearing that and they say "no one will ever confiscate". Maybe not. However, with every gun registered and the public controlled on firearms purchases, if we ever DID get another Obama-type President, they could easily use that against the public.

    Thank goodness we don't have this type of gun control (or as I call it, Civilian control).
     
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    You have a problem with such short sighted observations. The number of guns and life expectancy is not a good measure. For example, gun friendly nations like Switzerland debunk your theory. Swiss men have the longest life expectancy in the world.

    You have to look at a number of factors. Where is a nation in relation to other nations? Those that are rural and isolated don't have the issues of immigration are less likely to have problems. You have homogeneous nations like China and Japan where all the people (for the most part) are one people, not a hodge podge of races, cultures, religions, etc.

    I think America's obsession with trying to be everything to everybody is more a factor than whether or not gun violence could be curbed by outlawing guns.
     
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    The CDC was barred by Congress to investigate firearm fatalities in 1996.

    By Congress.

    Who get millions of dollars from the NRA...

    And after close to twenty years of the Congress ban, Obama, after a string
    of mass shootings and the slaughter of 20 children and seven adults at
    Sandy Hook, directed them to begin again, putting $10 million in his budget
    for new studies.

    And Congress blocked every dime.

    Over here in the real universe.

    And FBI and the DoJ do not track all gun deaths.
     
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    Maybe not.

    Since it hasn't happened in 245 years and since Congress won't even fund
    investigations that could stem the 35,000 plus gun deaths a year, you be
    better putting money a snowballs in hell.
     
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    It hasn't happened because we won't let it happen by giving our government control over our guns. It's actually the opposite of why this country was founded.
     
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