Why Gun Laws Don't Work

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Well Bonded, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. Dispondent

    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe on an island like Australia getting guns is hard because smuggling them isn't profitable. By weight and volume smugglers will always take bang for the buck. If at some point there becomes a high demand for guns and people willing to pay top dollar you will see guns everywhere. That problem doesn't exist here because we have rights...
     
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    Definitely this is evil. But most minor thieves, carjackers, etc. are not evil. They are poor people in need of money.
     
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    carjackers generally need shooting. It is considered a crime of extreme violence. Most of them are jacking cars because they are part of the drug trade.
     
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    What you have is a high gun related death rate and a massive health care burden
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Then there are simply too many individuals currently alive, who are fighting over too few available resources, and who see nothing wrong with forcefully depriving others of their resources for their own personal benefit.

    The only viable course of action is to reduce the sum total of the population of the united states in order to maximize available resources, so that others will not feel the need to turn to a life of crime just to support themselves.
     
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    The united states has a high death rate in general, without need of specifically singling out one category or another for the sake of making a political statement. Even the number of knife-related deaths in the united states exceeds those in the nation of Australia and others.
     
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    We do?
    Why?
     
  8. CCitizen

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    Social Darwinism is Evil. USA has more then enough resources to provide food, shelter, and medical care for all people in USA and many people all over the World.
     
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    The world at large, and the vast majority of all individuals who reside within it are evil by their very nature. Cease denying the truth once and for all, and cease the incipient whining that has been ever-present in not only this discussion, but numerous other discussions that have been participated in by yourself.

    Then actually prove such. Prove the united states has the resource to provide medical care for all three hundred and thirty million individuals within the united states, and do so simultaneously. Show that there are sufficient beds and hospitals to house the entire population of the united states all at once, and enough medical staff to tend to the needs of the entire population all at the same time.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What we have is freedom to defend ourselves and ensure we are never slaves to tyranny...
     
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    that's nonsense. But feel free to use YOUR resources to do that. But stop telling the rest of us that we need to impoverish ourselves to take care of those who refuse to do it themselves
     
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    We have provided food to places suffering famine and evil people hoarded it to control the population. The altruist way creates more evil than it stops...
     
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    Did you know that if Bloomberg would've just given the $500 million that he spent on political ads to each American citizen directly, that they each would've gotten $1 million dollars?? ;) ;)
     
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    Not refuse bu can not.
     
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    Sadly there are very many problems in implementing Universal Basic Income.
     
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    For the sake of hypothetical discussion, let us say such was indeed implemented in the united states. Let us further say that, overnight, the entire population of the united states chose to cease working and instead obtain this universal basic income from the government. Exactly how long would it take the united states government to go broke from the entire population refusing to work? One week? One month? Three months? Six months?
     
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    your existence is not a just claim on the labor or property of others.
     
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    I am not an expert in Economy. I believe some subsidy to all people in need can be implemented through the work of experts.
     
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    You mean like welfare, food stamps, social security and other existing government programs?
     
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    That, only much more accessible.
     
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    Then cease attempting to discuss the matter any further. It is just that simple. Those who are not experts on the matter of economy, and who have no understanding of how things work, have no business claiming the united states can, not should but can, become something that it is presently not, and believing the change would be extremely simple.
     
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    More accessible? How?
     
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    Gun laws are doing a VERY good job in multi-cultural England.

    maybe 700 murders a year.
     

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