Why Homosexuality Must NOT Be Recriminalized!

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  1. Maquiscat

    Maquiscat Well-Known Member

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    As a heterosexual, this thread is not a spit in my face. For a majority of heterosexuals this would not be.

    You were saying?
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/why-homosexuality-must-be-recriminalized.593252/

    Yet gays are not left alone at less than that. They get yelled at and harassed for holding hands or the short kisses that we commonly let slip by for heterosexual couples. Are you disgusted by the quick by a man and a woman?
     
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    He's communicating with me. If he wants to stop communicating, he can. I'm not preventing him from stopping. I won't respond to nothing. Same with anyone. If you respond to me, I will respond back. If I respond to someone I don't demand them to not respond to me.
     
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    So you cannot, or refuse to be polite in the interest of the rest of the board users? I am grateful for the ignore feature, though I have never before used it.
     
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  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A knot hole in an elm tree can't give consent. Would that be illegal?
     
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    It's technically considered an inanimate object, so no, it wouldn't.
     
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    Yes, that is what our enemies claim! I, myself, as a child have witnessed that the one homosexual in our village was never put into a concentration camp. He was put in jail for three weeks in the next biggest city, Kiel, for loitering around the public washrooms by the train station. This I know from my parents. Everybody in our village knew he was gay. To my knowledge, he never had to go to the military. He was kind and understanding to me, because one day during the war, when my mother still ran the Post Office, she sent me with my wagon to deliver a big parcel to someone I thought was the right one. It turned out I had the wrong person and was sent to the homosexual's house, where he lived with his elderly father for whom the parcel was. When I stuttered my apology he smiled kindly and wasn't mad at all.

    So, mister wise guy, you don't know anything for real, only what your bosses have poured into your roomy skull!
    Now, run quick to the mods and rat on me!
     
  7. Maquiscat

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    Would it not be just as polite for him to end the communication himself since he is the one who wants it stopped?
     
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    Communicate with me to your heart's delight. You just not going to get anywhere with your pedophile apologetics.
     
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    This is getting weird. You know as well as I know, a dead body has no soul. If a person really thought he was going to be buried but the survivors decide to cremate, he has no say in the matter, he is dead so he gets cremated. No consent required. So necrophelia does not require consent yet it is a repulsive sex act against all social mores "but it doesn't hurt anybody". Same way homosexual marriage is being justified here.
     
  10. Maquiscat

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    And when did I ever apologize for pedophiles? Nothing I said was anything other than truth. Prove me wrong.
     
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    I have seen you try and make out like pedophilia is a sexual orientation it isn't.
     
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    I have never claimed that. Such is your strawman. I have noted that it is an innate quality within a person like sexual orientation or gender identity is, or even kleptomania. But I have never claimed that it is the same as a sexual orientation. Prove otherwise.
     
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    No it's typically a paraphilia caused often by being a victim of sexual abuse in childhood.

    It's not innate. This is what I meant by legitimizing it. You are claiming it's an inmate characteristic as legitimate as homosexuality.

    This is exactly pedophilia apologetics
     
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    I have a question for you because I think you are likely to have access to the research or a professional opinion on which my constitutional view will be foundational. If I recall you said you were a professor who teaches about sexuality. It deals with the effect of pornography on specific criminal conduct. Is there clinical evidence/ studies supporting the notion that pornography that mimics sex crimes induces or enhances the number or severity of crimes committed by those who watch? Does watching rape porn induce any rape behavior by people so inclined, or computer generated kiddie porn induce or enhance the number or severity of child predatory behavior by people so inclined?

    ( this theoretically could have been relevant before sodomy laws were deemed unconstitutional and its relationship to gay porn)
    Just so you know,
    My constitutional question is about whether the state has a compelling interest in criminalizing the production or distribution of porn in which no actual crime has been committed therein, that outweighs 1st amendment concerns.
     
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    Kleptomaina is also an innate aspect. That doesn't make acting on the impulses right, and I make no claims that acting on the impulses of pedophilia, ****philia, or ephebophilia are right. And no it is not typically a paraphilia caused by abuse.

    While trauma such as sexual abuse might be a cause, for the most part it is an innate trait. Noting that it is such is not permission giving for a pedophile or either of the other two to act upon those impulses. If facts are apologist, then we will just leave you to your fantasies.
     
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    No I am not a professor or any other type of professional educator. I am an educator (but not paid, thus not a professional) within the BDSM and Poly communities, mostly with regards to the basics and a few specific plays.

    To my knowledge, which is not something I have researched greatly, there has not been a cause and effect line proven. There are studies that propose such, but I believe that they are suspect because they may be drawing a reversed cause/effect. IOW, they do not show that the porn produces the actions, but rather the impulses causes the person to seek the specific porn. Then there is the claim that the porn can allow for the person to not engage in the action. However, it has been shown that those who have offended have, more often than not, high porn use of that specific porn. However, there are also many offenders who don't use porn, so the correlation/causation issue is in effect. There are certainly lots of people who use the porn and never offend, whether they have those urges or not.

    I know that has been debated a lot. Keep in mind that rape fantasy is a very common one. Age play is also a popular kink, to the point that there are may specialty stores on line that cater to it, and age play may or may not include sex with it. In the end the question is not whether a crime has been committed, but whether harm is done with the action. Historically, lots of laws were based upon the potential and possibility, or at least perceived possibility, of someone harming another because of whatever action. Hell many opponents today still try to claim that the majority of homosexuals are pedophiles. But as we progress forward, more and more laws are being directed at actual harm, and not perceived harm. Believe it or not, bondage is actually still illegal in many states, with the law saying that you cannot even consent to it as an adult. It doesn't matter that there is no actual harm between the consenting adults. If you think about it, you question could easily be turned around to apply to guns as well, and in fact many opponents have used that argument of the potential of guns to cause harm as reason to restrict or prohibit gun ownership and/or production.
     
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    I thank you for your reply and clarification. More to your point, what this argument can lead to is the censorship of violence in film production and distribution. What does that do to the Godfather films, Star Trek, assorted depictions of fistfights, car chases, and the gunfights in Bonanza. I get the slippery slope argument and I understand the complications involved distinguishing between correlation, and cause and effect in the data, let alone which direction the cause/ effect goes which I had not previously considered!. I was curious about your interpretation of the studies, and the data if you had seen any. Again, thanks.
     
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    You cannot throw your heterosexualty in ANYBODY'S face ! The last I heard every single person on the planet was conceived of heterosexuality! We ALL have ties to it!
     
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    I don't care about the kleptomania you are wrong about pedophilia.

    Trying to say it's innate is apologetics, and incorrect

    This sentence contradicts itself
     
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    Why would I report you? The Mods are well aware of your pro-Hitler, anti-Jewish posting history and of your holocaust denial. Clearly they are fine with it, so not up to me to trouble them.

    I just wanted people who haven't had the chance to read your vile posts on other threads to be aware that you are a vocal supporter of the Nazi regime that arrested and imprisoned tens of thousands of homosexuals and put some in concentration camps. Your instinct to deny Nazi atrocities is as reliable as ever. Thank you for behaving exactly as expected.

    People can now judge your posts in their proper context.
     
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    Actually, he does have a say in the matter if he put it in his will before he passed.
     
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    What a load of crap!

    Why even post bovine excrement like that when you CANNOT provide CREDIBLE nonpartisan substantiation?
     
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    More bovine excrement WITHOUT any SHRED of credible substantiation.

    Rapes have been happening in schools for many DECADES.

    https://www.boston.com/news/nationa...orts-of-sexual-assaults-at-schools-across-us/

     
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    Of course you can. A heterosexual couple in an overt PDA would be throwing it in your face. Any boosting (the specific action, as opposed to simply mentioning) of their status as a heterosexual couple. It can be done. And by the standards of some of the opponents of the LBGT community, it is commonly done. It is not uncommon to hear a gay opponent claiming that two men walking around holding hands is throwing homosexuality in their face. So by that logic, and man and a woman walking around holding hands is throwing heterosexuality into people's faces.
     
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    I provided the evidence and source materials. If you want to disagree with the professionals, you are welcomed to your fantasy. Even if the condition is caused by abuse or other trauma, that renders it into something that the person was not in control of. They are a victim. Unless you want to say it is being an apologist to call someone who was
    a victim. At which point you become an apologist. Having pedophilia, regardless of whether it is in inborn innate trait, or caused by trauma, is still nothing that the person can help. It's not like they said, "you know, this seems like a good day to become a pedophile." Having pedophilia also doesn't mean that the person has assaulted a child. There is nothing apologist in that. These are facts. Prove me wrong. Noting these facts does not in any way condone the attacking of a child by someone with pedophilia.....except in your fantasies. Just as noting that a person has kleptomania and noting its causes in no way condones any theft by that person.
     

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