Why Homosexuality Must NOT Be Recriminalized!

How would you prefer they identify themselves? If they have the inclination/ the desire, but they don't do anything with it or to anyone, what would you want them to call themselves, with this 'problem' of theirs?

 

why would they need an identity? Such a thing would just be legitimizing it. Just go get help.

Perverts.

 

Now that is silly. Calling someone a murderer does not legitimize murder. Calling someone a rapist does not legitimize rape.

The first definition I found for pervert was this: "a person whose sexual behavior is regarded as abnormal and unacceptable"

Heres the second:

"noun
a person whose behavior deviates from what is acceptable especially in sexual behavior"

We have already established that there is no actual behavior involved here yet, so that won't work, its also awfully broad - it can mean anything that is not socially and culturally acceptable. I have already been called that more times than I can remember - for being gay!!!

 

Since we have ESTABLISHED that it is YOU that does NOT understand the relevant TERMINOLOGY your statement is MEANINGLESS.

 

It was NOT that long ago that homosexuals were called PERVERTS.

FACTS matter!

 

well you're trying to say someone identifies as a murderer but they don't kill anybody it's just an eight like homosexuality or left-handedness that would be just as ridiculous.

Sexual attraction to children is behavior.

If you want to identify yourself by how badly you want to molest children you should be shunned from society.

 

People who want to molest children are definitely perverts.

 

I am a man who is sexually attracted to men who does not act on that attraction. Am I a homosexual? or do I need to kiss, touch, or otherwise interact with a man sexually to be one?

 

Homosexual is a sexual orientation pedophilia is not it's a proclivity to molest children.

You are trying to legitimize pedophilia by comparing it to homosexuality.

 

LOL, no on both counts!
I am trying to use the word pedophile consistent with the definitions that I read for the word. Here is a few of them

. Noun 1. pedophile - an adult who is sexually attracted to children

2. pedophile, paedophilenoun
an adult who is sexually attracted to children

3.pedophile noun

1. In American psychiatry, a person attracted primarily to prepubescent children.(DSM-IV: Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children)

1. NOUN
   (British paedophile)
   • A person who is sexually attracted to children.

I am trying to suggest that the desire, the attraction, the proclivity whatever is one thing, and the behavior is another thing.

We need a word to describe the desire so that they can admit what it is that is the problem. The idea is not that different from what happens in an AA meeting, or Narcotics Anonymous

The first thing you need to do if you expect to get help, is admit there is a problem by applying the word you have been working so hard not to apply!

" Hi, I am Steve, I am an alcoholic"
Hi, I am Amelia, I am a drug addict"
Hi, I am Don, I am a pedophile"

This does not 'legitimize' squat.

 

no you're trying to say it's like homosexuality it isn't.

That's legitimizing it. Who's the guy that started another thread in the subform talking about how we should recriminalize homosexuality and he does the same exact thing you just did.

 

Homosexuals were ACCUSED of molesting children and STILL are in a thread currently open in this forum.

So are ALL homosexuals perverts just because they are ACCUSED of being perverts by someone who is utterly IGNORANT of the meaning of those terms?

If NOT then what is the DIFFERENCE between what you are posting and they are posting?

 

No. I am using the word 'pedophile' exactly as all these definitions tell me to. I don't think Oxford or Webster have an agenda here and neither do I

 

Actually that is EXACTLY what YOU are doing!

Sad that you cannot recognize your own fallacies in this regard.

 

I don't debate semantics.

I accepted the meaning of the word before you even posted a definition.

The problem is legitimizing it that's what I'm arguing about.

If all you can do is tell me what a word means you aren't participating in a debate here.

 

pedophilia means you want to molest kids. That's what that word means

 

Lie

 

I thought that you were saying that the word only applies to people who behave on that attraction, who molest children and that society should 'shun' people who admit that they are pedophiles, anyone who 'wants' ( a weird way to describe this) to identify themselves as such. I think accepting the word for the attraction/ inclination, does no more to legitimize, than the word 'alcoholic' legitimizes drunk driving!

Personally, I'd refer to the pedophile consistent with the dictionary definition, and refer to someone who molests as a molester or child predator. I would not 'shun' someone who met the definition of pedophile, or admitted it. I would put the molester, the predator behind bars for a very long time.

 

the word applies to people who want to molest children. A pedophile wants to molest children.

Anybody who resists The surge and goes and gets help shouldn't identify themselves this way

I don't know what you don't understand here I'm not arguing about a word.

My argument is about legitimizing it. For example comparing it to homosexuality.

 

Look at the bold. That is definitional, pal and you put it there. The definitions above that I quoted are broader and include people who have the urge but don't want to act on it, as well as those who do. You don't get to narrow it per your preference. It is what it is. Pedophiles have urges, are sexually attracted, or have fantasies involving children. That is what those definitions above are telling you. Some of them may want to molest children. Others do not want to molest them.

If you define those who do not, out of the definition because you can't handle it, maybe you should figure out what you do want to call them. 'Pervert' won't work. Try again!

 

Distinction without a difference.

 

Yeah I keep pointing out that you are wrong. You want to make it about 'wanting to molest children' and pedophilia describes a sexual attraction towards children whether they want to do anything about that attraction or not. Now you have decide whether society should shun them like you said above simply for calling themselves pedophiles, or if instead you want to try to get them into treatment and counseling before they do any molesting.

 

This is where you are 100% factually wrong. It is a psychological disorder. Prove otherwise.

Again factually wrong, and I even provided the source that proved you wrong. And while there is a chance for it to be caused by abuse, by definition that removes it as a fetish or kink. Trauma induced disorders are still disorders.

You are making a cause and effect fallacy. It doesn't matter whether or not it is the majority or a near minority who offend.

Having pedophilia does not mean that the person automatically molests a child. Molesting a child does not automatically mean that the person has pedophilia. Neither of those fact, which you cannot disprove, makes any assault acceptable. There is no being an apologist in stating facts. An action you seem to be incapable of here.

 

Pedophilia is factually a psychiatric disorder, as proven with source references. The creation of child porn with actually children is indeed harmful to children and should be a crime, although I'm and of itself is not pedophilia. Whacking off to Bart and Lisa Simpson does not ham any child as none were used to make the images.

Please drop the strawman. We have repeatedly told you that pedophilia is not a sexual orientation.

Well duh, which is why we have provided you the source material to show that the facts are facts. An action which you seem incapable of doing.

 

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