Why Homosexuality Must NOT Be Recriminalized!

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  1. Jolly Penguin

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    I'm not homosexual. And homosexual people need to be protected from you, not by you.
     
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    People who confuse homsexuality for phedophilia truly baffle me. They don't think heterosxual pedophiles exist?
     
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    You were pretty safe around homosexuals when you were under the age of 8 as well. Priests on the other hand....
     
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    He's not confusing it. He's doing that on purpose.
     
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    Personally, I am very happy that gay men exist. The more gay men the better. It means a better chance with women for me.
     
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    Did you forget about the bi women who will be taken from your potential pool by other gay and bi women? As well as all the gay women who reduce that pool by themselves.
     
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    I try not to say bad things or encourage hate. But yes, lesbianism is a scourge. This puts me in the exact opposite camp from the typical Anti-Gay conservative Christians. Ever notice they go on and on about gay men but never mention gay women? Lesbianism is considered hot and homosexual men considered horrid. This is irrational and backwards.

    PS - I also was and am speaking in jest for those who lack a funny bone. ;)
     
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    My whole thing was in humor as well. Pointing out that you probabloat.more women than gay men made available. But yeah, I have many times made comments on how the anti gays only target gay men. I'm pretty sure that it's the same principle for why their is an outcry on trans women, but not a word on trans men.
     
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    Yes, I think that's likely.
     
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    I've talked to a lot of people that are bothered by gay men to try and understand why. And I know it's a popular thing to say but I don't think it's true most of the time that they're covering up some latent homosexual desires.

    Most straight people don't have those otherwise they wouldn't be straight. Only the people closest to me have talked to me about what experimentation or having thought about it. But they couldn't get over the idea of being with a guy so I don't think there's latent tendencies.

    I think what it is mostly is the idea of head of a sexuality being normal is under a threat. But I don't think it is I'm saying what I get from them is they think it is and it's only a matter of time before there is a large segment in the population that's gay. They tend to be very skeptical of the born that way claims and I am too I don't know if I was gay when I was born because I don't remember. The first time it ever really even entered my head was when I was going through puberty.

    So really getting down to the brass tacks I think that they think the nuclear family is the only way to be a family, I agree that's the ideal especially in Western culture but it's not the only way. And even nuclear families have wiggle room.

    So the fear is kind of barbarians at the gate trying to undermine a very precious societal Norm which I don't think could happen if they tried at least not with gay people.

    There seems to be a rather small and strange contingent among straight people particularly straight men that really don't like the idea of a gay man objectifying them. I remember feeling the question when I came out from the street and I was friends with if I was attracted to them or not.

    I think this bothers these type of guys because they think they're sending out signals and that might not be the case there may just be gay guys that are attracted to them kind of like how sometimes straight men are attracted to lesbians

    But I think the reasoning behind this discomfort straight or traditional people have with homosexuality is a complicated one. It's hard to reduce it to a single reason.

    But in the same breath I've run across a few heterosexual men that like having me as a friend because I'm not going to steal the girl.

    The longer I'm on this planet the more it becomes clear to me very few things really have a simple answer
     
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    It's a threat to the dominant patriarchy. That's all it is. That's all it's ever been.

    You can see it blow up in their faces when you post a picture of a trans man and ask if the law should compel him to follow little girl's into the bathroom.

    Pathetic really.
     
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    It only seems to be trans women that think they're entitled to sex with lesbians. I don't think trans men run into this problem. It's only trans women that create hate terms to disparage women who don't feel that these males should be entitled to sex with them.

    It just isn't the same thing there's not a common thread of gay men running around thinking they're entitled to sex with straight men and calling men hateful terms because they don't give it to them. That is exclusive almost entirely to trans women.
     
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    I disagree with you. Trans women are male so essentially men. And they think they have the right to sex with lesbians. That's his patriarchy as anything ever could possibly be.
    Again the belief that males trans women are males are entitled to sex with lesbians is the most patriarchal thing I can imagine.

    Just because some dude puts on lipstick and wears a wig and calls himself petunia does not mean he's not male if there is a patriarchy in society today that's where it is.
     
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    I think ultimately a lot if it comes down to internal feelings of disgust at the thought of themselves with other men. You don't need latent homosexuality and a feeling of shame for this to manifest. If you are straight, it is likely going to disgust you. Then it is a matter of if you can realize two men's romantic love for each other isn't about you.
     
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    There's a certain level of disgust there but it wouldn't be there if these people were entirely straight. I'm not disgusted by treatment having sex with women in fact my thoughts is more power to them. Even if I picture it I don't have to do that so no disgust because why would there be.

    I really think a lot of people think that it's in a front to tradition that is 95% of the complaints I get about it and mind you I have to go looking for it. Think for instance about same-sex marriage. "You can't call that marriage cuz marriage traditionally is blah blah blah." This isn't about disgust because the people that say that almost always say there should be the same thing for gay people we just call it something else.

    So it really seems to be about the sanctity and traditions.
     
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    That's kind of where the idea of the latent homosexuality comes in, and that's not a claim that the assumption is true, or a truism. If you are straight, whether the acts themselves disgust you or not, why would you lash out at them? But we are talking about those who do lash out at them. Why? That is where the idea that such people are latent homosexuals and trying to deny themselves takes shape. They are fighting it within themselves, and thus have some needs to fight it without as well.
     
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    Ah if only they had practiced what they preached, they might have gotten it.
     
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    Disgust is a ground of morality for many people. You don't need any latent homosexuality to feel disgusted by the thought of it. And if you can't separate yourself from others in your mind then knowing two men are diddling each other makes you think of yourself doing it. And it also heightens the risk that even if it doesn't make you think of yourself, you may have to see it or signs of it. These people are so revolted by it and so self centred that they feel entitled to stop others from engaging in it (or pushing them so deep into the closet that they can pretend it doesn't exist).

    In a way it reminds me of highly religious people in regard to atheists.
     
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    That's about marriage, and I agree that is about tradition, and also usually about religion. I was talking about homosexuality generally.
     
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    I agree they probably should have made that opinion a lot more clear years ago but it's too late now.
     

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