Why I Bring My Gun to School

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  1. rover77

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    'I had survived such an assault myself when I was a child. The incident left me acutely aware of the realities of being preyed upon just because you are physically smaller and less likely to protect yourself. I know what it means to feel defenseless.

    Now my only means of protection was a rape whistle. I would hold it in one hand and my phone in the other, the numbers 9-1-1 pre-dialed and my finger on the call button. As I neared my car, I would start to jog. It scared me to think that even if I dialed the number and blew the whistle, by the time anyone got to the scene it might be too late. When I got to my car, I’d get in, lock the doors and look behind me to make sure no one was in the back seat.'

    being a victim will certainly change one's outlook


    Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/opinion/why-i-bring-my-gun-to-school.html
     
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    ...And no American citizen should ever have to live like that. People should be initiated into understanding their own responsibilities and the state should only encourage people having the ability to provide for the security that government cannot.

    My wife has no rape whistle... but she's got a 9mm. If she's attacked by a would-be rapist she'll be calling 911 to report a self-defense shooting and requesting police and paramedics to deal with the subject foolish enough to target her. She does not live in fear, but in confidence.
     
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    Hero teacher stops school, shooter...
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    Teacher Hailed as Hero for Subduing School Shooter
    September 22, 2017 - A teacher who subdued a school shooting suspect acted on her “strong Christian instincts,” the teacher's mother said Thursday.
     
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    Well, I can understand your nervous need for a higher level of protection, I just hope you don't have a Glock. Frankly, you sound a little too nervous to be carrying a gun that has no secondary safety and only requires a five pound twitch of the finger to go off. That happened to one of our local police officers when he made a traffic stop and someone in the car made a move. The officer triggered one into the car's rear wheel.

    I would suggest a type like a Beretta 84 or 85 .380, double-action auto if you have small hands, or a double-action revolver
    . These types of guns require a heavy trigger pull to get off the first round without the hammer cocked.
     
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    I would assume they are trained well enough. A new carry gun I have is an XD-S that has both a trigger safety and a grip safety. There was a guy in local church who set off his "safe action only" gun when he sat down and something pulled on the trigger.

    Having an above average brain and lots of training is the best form of safety.
     
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    There is this guy on You Tube called Hiccock 45 that demos a lot of guns. He said once that a Glock with a round in the chamber was a "rattlesnake".

    Actually, I suppose, any handgun in single-action mode with all safeties inactive is a rattlesnake. It's just that a thumb safety or a heavy trigger pull once you are pointing it gives that last margin of pullback.
     
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    Would not the various law enforcement and military agencies around the world that issue the Glock series of pistol indicate that such is not necessary?
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've seen many of the Hiccock guy's vids. Most of time I spend handling and practicing with guns are when they are unloaded and no ammo nearby. I don't CC that often (as my job prohibits it). I used to own a Glock 21, but traded it. The only safe action only guy I have is a tiny Kel-Tec .380 that I keep inside it's zippered pouch.

    I've only had one gun go off accidentally, and that's when one of my cousins put a hair trigger on a bolt action rifle, and it went off just from the pressure of closing the bolt.
     
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    It's kind of interesting to me to see the discussions about trigger mechanisms, safety, etc; and the people who talk about striker-fired pistols in the same vein as the Glock.

    I've carried Glocks extensively for a number of years, and have never had a problem with them. Trigger finger discipline is key, as is a quality holster that properly protects the trigger. Otherwise, Glocks are perfectly safe to carry.

    That said, I do laugh at those guys who fret about someone carrying a 1911 in Condition One (cocked'n'locked) - which has a thumb safety, a grip safety, and a half-**** notch between the shooter and a ND... but they'll carry a Glock with a 3.5 pound disconnector without a second thought.
     
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    I read an article in one of the gun magazines - I think - that evaluated the design logic difference between Glocks and double-action autos like the Beretta 92. The author said that the Glock was specifically designed for law enforcement while the Beretta was designed for the military. The difference in thinking is that the military puts a lot more time into training with weapons so the more complex mechanism of the Beretta has more time to be understood while the limited training given police officers makes a simpler gun a better option.

    Don't get me wrong here, the Glock has a reputation as a fine piece of hardware that works exactly as designed, but consider that a hand grenade has two safeties, the pin and the lever, while the Glock has only one, the very light trigger which, also, happens to be the thing that sets it off. It's kind of like a hand grenade that has a button - no pin and no lever.
     
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    What video was that ?
    Can you post a link ?
    Because I watch Hickock .45 often and he says nothing but good about Glock.
     
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    Your opinion.
     
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    Most all Glocks come stock with a 5.5 pound trigger. That is not considered a light trigger. Thats why competition shooters do trigger jobs. Nothing "sets it off", the trigger safety prevents it from firing unless the trigger is pulled.
    Btw, A Beretta 92 is a double/single action gun, not a double action.
     
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    I read a letter in one of the gun magazines a while back about some guy that carried a Glock in an old leather holster. He pushed it onto the holster as he was getting into a car and a part of the holster bent in and pushed the trigger. He pumped a round down into the car seat.

    In spite of what I have been writing here, I carry a S&W M&P 9C which is a striker type. However, I got the optional ambidextrous thumb safety and I don't carry it with a round in the chamber because I'm not going to be doing any fast draws, and I don't tend to go through rough neighborhoods.
     
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    So, state yours. I'm just saying that a Glock requires that extra bit of care and consideration; it is not a weapon you want to be casual with.
     
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    I live my Glock but you have to recognize it for what it is, a service pistol, not a play pistol. It's not overly accurate, it's ugly, not very comfortable. The reason it's so well respected though is that they are nearly indestructible. Pull the trigger and they go bang.

    For the military. They want double action with external safety because of the jostling that military firearms receive in regular combat use. It's just too easy to snag a glock or similar weapon and accidentally fire it.
     
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    Oops, I got his name wrong. Sorry! Anyway, I have no idea which one it was, I just wander through them. And, he likes the Glocks, he was just saying they required extra care in handling when loaded.
     
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    No decent defensive firearm instructor advises carrying without one in the pipe. Plenty of bad things happen to people who don't drive through rough neighborhoods and if you need to deploy your firearm to save your life, you should be practicing a fast draw. In a gun fight tenths of seconds matter. Having to rack the slide can cost you your life.
     
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    A five pound trigger is not heavy. The ten to twelve pound trigger of a double action pull is heavy. You are confusing the internal design of the Glock trigger mechanism with what I am talking about. The Glock trigger mechanism is designed so that NOTHING BUT a pull on the trigger fires the gun. And, as I understand it, it does it well. The problem here is that there is nothing but a five pound pull on the trigger that prevents the gun from going off. A thumb safety prevents a gun from going off - period. A ten pound pull to **** and drop a hammer on a double-action puts a little extra margin between thinking about it and cleaning up the mess.

    Don't think I'm dissing the Glock, it's a fine gun, and any gun that is cocked with all safeties defeated needs a s much respect as a Glock, My point is that a Glock requires a bit more ability by its owner and other types give a little extra margin for error.

    Double-action means that the particular gun has two modes of operation. A single-action, like the old Colt .45 revolvers or the Colt 1911 auto, must manually have their hammers pulled back before they can be fired. A double-action like a Beretta 92 can have its hammer manually pulled back or it can be cocked and dropped by a heavy pull on the trigger. A double-action gun is called a double-action. Calling it a double-action/single-action is redundant.
     
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    Perhaps so. However the Glock series of handguns is used by various military organizations around the world.
     
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    All firearms require an extra bit of care and one should never be "casual" with any firearm.

    Lots O' Folks said the same about a C&L 1911, nothing has changed.
     
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    Not actually true, as there are true DAO semi-autos that are not striker fired, like the SIG 239 DAK and H&K USP Variation 7.
     
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    All firearms require an extra bit of care and one should never be "casual" with any firearm.

    Lots O' Folks said the same about a C&L 1911, nothing has changed.
     
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    True, but, at my age, if I don't have a reasonable idea things are going south, a fast draw isn't going to help. I think of it as an available option, just in case.
     
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    All firearms require an extra bit of care and one should never be "casual" with any firearm.

    Lots O' Folks said the same about a C&L 1911, nothing has changed.
     
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