Why I support globalism

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  1. Balto

    Balto Well-Known Member

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    Quite simple really to see how it is better than isolationism.

    Globalism goes beyond trade, it's having a frelarionship with other countries that bevnefits each countries economies. You like Trumps view on trade? Well, how are you going to get African imported wood for Gibson guitars, or how are you going to get European car imports that are built in Germany? It is one thing to renegotiate trade deals, it's another to simply pull out of being a globalist country.

    Putting America First is also putting the rest of the world first. When we benefit, they benefit. And vice verse.
     
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    I don't believe in a totally closed economy. Closed economies would put a maximum emphasis on current US Production, which I argue is declining rapidly as a result of Globalism. One huge reason this production is declining, is how many people are workers and we don't have nearly enough businesses, not nearly enough entrepreneurs. Which is why my radical economic reforms aim to change that.

    Black Holes(where Money goes to die) is another huge factor financially in the global economy(you heard of them as derivatives.). Until we make the massive macroeconomic changes we need to make, our production will continue to lag. So I prefer a Mixed Economy. Some Economic movement, with some price control to stabilize prices for the time being and enable the strengthening of the dollar.

    It may in fact be preferable to maintain a 'profit margin limit' to ensure that prices never exceed the actual market value of an item. Of course, there are outside forces that determine market value, but more or less most things have a certain value based on production, etc. That certain value allows us to estimate an 'average' and to keep it within that average. That's what I'd love to do.

    And by eliminating black holes, more money returns to our pocketbooks.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is a difference between being friendly and letting other nations take advantage of you.
     
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    So, the only alternative to globalism is isolationism? :wall:
     
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    I prefer isolationism. Isolationism doesnt mean we dont have trade, it means that trade is trade. We dont make special rules for some countries. Some American industries are helped by globalism, some are hurt by it. The simple fact is that globalism only works if everyone is playing by the same rules, which we know isnt the truth. American workers cant compete with manufacturing in Asia or India.

    More to isolationism though. It means we arent sending troops to every conflict in the world. It means we arent sending money to every country that never progressed. Most importantly, it allows us to act in our own self interests instead of having to be the face of virtue in world affairs.
     
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    Thats pretty simple-minded thinking by the pro globalism crowd

    Yet so typical of what I hear from the anti trumpsters

    Of course we want trade but it has to be a two-way street

    China is financing its military expansion via the $350 billion trade surplus they have with the United States
     
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    I believe this is yet another issue that most Americans side with Trump on.
     
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    Send 90% of your income and sell 90% of all you have and send it also to the UN 3rd world charity fund to prove you really mean it.
     
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    Thankfully most Americans still want to work instead of laying around on welfare

    So we need fair trade that keeps good jobs in America
     
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    Globalism means:

    1. supporting sending American jobs to foreign child labor sweatshops

    2. minimize American job wages by importing millions and millions of cheap immigrant labor

    3. supporting the global super elite wealthiest people on earth sucking out the very last debt dollars the USA can print because they just aren't rich enough yet.

    To understand Democrat globalists is to understand they believe that the wealthiest man on earth, a Mexican national in Mexico, with $79,000,000,000.00 isn't wealthy enough and needs at least $100 billion more American dollars - and that whatever his NY Times propaganda publication says are to be considered as if words from God.
     
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    It also means having to buy those silly berets that the US Army adopted from China

    Each year since the free trade deal with china the US depends more and more on foreign factories for necessities that used to be made here
     
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    I'm for proper international trade but when your talking exploiting workers with crappy conditions and the goods therefore sell for less I feel its fine to slap on a crippling tariff until said nation offers workers and their people reasonable benefits from trade this means unions, higher wages, a social safety net, retirement plans and health care and if this raises the cost of goods fine its my strong position this should be done globally. UN Treaties already place in signing nations many obligations and the US should expect nations do what they said or lose our trade this means Saudi Arabia and other nations give women full rights to decide marriage, career, freedom of religious belief and such or we won't buy their oil or better we need to get with other importers and slap on their oil a big fat tariff and oil of nations moving to do justice to women our trade without it. The same for banning child labor, promoting human rights and such should be fought by civilized nations with a block stance of tariffs for their goods high enough to make it better to prevent abuse. Say what you want but I'd rather give trade to nations doing their best by their people than tyrant regimes and ones that hurt their people and using the harm to profit selling to our nation. If that means oil might cost a bit more to get from a free African nation than Saudi Arabia then fine.
     
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    I basically agree when it comes to foreign countries cutting corners and underpaying workers

    That puts American workers out of a job and we should not allow it

    As for the social issues how muslims treat their women in foreign countries is a political issue not an economic one and we should stay out of it

    We can balance trade by using tariffs to negate any competative advantage other countries have by abusing worker safety, pay and environmental standards

    That would give American workers a fair shot at the jobs again
     
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    On another board I asked a Democrat how he could justify being in favor of free trade agreements that always hurts American workers. He said because it raises the standard of living of Chinese peasants! Have these people gone mad? It is treasonous to support programs that hurt American's and help hostile nations. This is their plan, to have western nations decrease the standard of living until we meet somewhere in the middle with 3rd world countries. And I guess they think they will be the ones ruling over all of us. They keep forgetting how the poor will feed off the rich and the people will be led by the new elites.
     
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    I have read similar comments

    Globalists truely do not care what happens to America

    To them everyone around the world is just one big family that is entitled to welfare
     
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    "Trump's view" is often misunderstood after the media interjects their opinion and political biases. The Gibson Guitar debacle of the past was from OBAMA'S EPA or some environmental agency of some sort, armed and ready to take Americans to prison. Totally uncalled for but definitely not MAGA.

    The Trump administration is using the Trade Act of 1974 to investigate and counteract UNFAIR foreign trade practices. There's free trade (globalism) and there's free AND fair trade, which is what Trump is interested in seeing in the future.

    A probe of China was just launched recently, so don't expect action for several months but the Trade Act gives Trump the authority to take action.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_Act_of_1974

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    The misinformaton on the left is appalling

    Blaming trump and fair trade for something environentalist wackos under obama did
     
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    The last time we had some rare wood for guitars imported Obozo and the DOJ swooped in and seized it.
     
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    Nobody wants to end trade with other nations. But trade with the U.S. must be fair trade.

    And I have little sympathy for trading with countries that mistreat their workers. I don't like the idea of buying cheap goods here in the U.S. knowing that it was produced by someone working 7 days a week, 16 hours a day, for peanuts.
     
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    People around the world do not support Western values. We don't need or want them to dictate how we live.
     
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    That you believe we must choose one or the other shows the lack free thought I've come to expect from the left
     
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    Why I think its fine to say your in gross violation of our standards of human rights even though the USA is not ideal either and we won't trade with you anymore until you fix it. If lots of countries did this maybe they would fix it. If your an atheist in Saudi Arabia they will imprison and flog you and likely chop off your head how acceptable should that be to any free nation? Politics should be backed by economics its a very powerful weapon and not violent just your taking away money until they behave or make strides to do so.

    Now this could backfire on the USA but if we are wanting in some big area then maybe we should be punished to, I would expect Mexico and Central America to not like if we build a border wall for example like Trump Wants why should they trade with us for it?
     
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    Evidently, you were unware that Gibson Guitars are having a wee bit of a legal issue beginning during the Obama administration vis a vis their "imported wood" situation. US FIsh and Wildlife and their zealous prosecution under the Lacie Act may have slipped your mind.

    I would point out that globalism is what has caused much of the environmental destruction within those developing nations as they try to enter the global markets with their very exotic wares to the detriment of those resources. 5 YOs working 15 hour days slogging through the mud attempting to find Cobalt? I mean, there's quite a list.
     
  25. Balto

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    No, I knew about that. It was wood that had to do with the origins being from Madagascar. The Feds raided their facility in Tennessee. I know all about that.
     

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