Why is having sex with a drunk woman considered rape?

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    It is clear to me that you don't understand the damage folks like you are doing. You insist that accepting false testimony is acceptable because you, yourself, feel that not enough is done for folks who, like you, don't report their victimization, so instead of accepting your own personal responsibility for not having sought justice, you'd lash out at anyone else as the voice of retribution to alleviate your own self guilt. That doesn't seem either healthy or morally acceptable.
     
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    The girls all get prettier and most get looser around closing time.:)

    And some of them take a hell of a chance leaving with men when the pub door is locked -- never to be seen again.
     
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    So, if someone is drunk to the point of not being able to tell who it was, how can we be sure that she didn't say yes? I think you're making a pejorative assumption absent any fact.
     
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    Let me guess you are a man. When government statistics show that one in six women has been sexually assaulted and men like you don’t believe them...it’s the victims fault. I would have been asked what I was wearing. I would have been asked why I was alone in his apartment. I would have been blamed by men like you.
    This is such a wonderful example that I am going to use. You are blaming me and my daughter because we didn’t report sexual assault many years ago. But at the same time you are angry at women in the me to movement. You don’t understand what a raised consciousness is all about. When women couldn’t vote I’m sure you blamed them. When Harvard wouldn’t accept a woman it was her fault. When married women couldn’t get credit in their own names it was her fault. You don’t understand what a movement is all about. The me too movement showed me I wasn’t unique ..Millions of women suffered the same in dignity. I am sure some men didn’t realize the wrongdoings they were doing but now they do. So stop blaming the victims.
    A couple of years ago I got a wonderful postcard from one of my students. She said she hated me… And then said life was so much easier before you raise my consciousness and now I fight the world
     
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    But she wasn’t drunk to the point of not being able to tell who it was
    This is exactly why women didn’t report rape in the past and why we are coming out with our stories. I guess one and six women are all part of a mass conspiracy
     
  6. drluggit

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    I suppose you are unable to see your own complicity here. First, The question about "being believed" is a self induced prison that you yourself built. You could have just as likely have said that you were ashamed for having been assaulted, and chose not to publicly humiliate yourself, right? The construct then, that you might not believed, is the rationalization of the first.

    So, I look at it this way. If you've been assaulted, report it. There isn't any nobility in not reporting it. Also, why spread the conversation here? No one is attacking a woman's suffrage here, so why introduce it?

    What I think is absolutely hilarious though is your unwitting defense of victimization here. It seems your only trick. Lash out at folks, who frankly, aren't the ones engaged in the behavior your lashing out about.

    I don't blame women, I believe that women make choices, and those choices lead to outcomes. If you were a victim, you had an obligation to the community to address it, which you failed. That isn't blaming you for being victimized. It challenges your self perception of yourself as some heroic stoic figure who's victimization, in you mind, overcomes your unwillingness to stand up for yourself and stop this cycle you also whine about.
     
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    If you're referring to ms Blasey Ford, you're talking to the wrong person. I found her story entirely not credible. She couldn't recall the most basic things, the story changed over time, and the only reason she ever saw the inside of a Senate hearing is because she was ordered to be there. This was a political hatchet job. Nothing more. If ms Blasey Ford has been victimized, I assure you that she can recall all of the necessary detail. Like who, where, when, etc. I can assure you that the only thing she was hiding was the fact that it didn't happen to her at the time, the place or with the participants she claims.
     
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    You’re part of the problem because you are blaming women of the past. You have absolutely no insight into how powerless we were. You keep blaming the victims but we are now standing up because of a movement. The same way we did when over 100 years we didn’t vote. Things don’t happen in a vacuum. Do you think women coming out about sexual assaults “just happenedl ? Do you think women getting the vote “just happened”? Do you think women getting reproductive freedom “ just happened”? Do you think women being able to get into Harvard and Yale and sit on the Supreme Court “just happened?” IWhat you are doing is using simple logic and totally oblivious to psychological aspects..like it was so simple. I suggest perhaps you take a psychology course and stop blaming victims
     
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    She claims she wasn't. Was she not? Or does she remember wrong after all these years. Go watch Brain Games and Adam Ruins Everything for their episodes on memory.

    Rather interesting that you didn't bother to answer this question.
     
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    As Kavanaugh was 'strident'?
     
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    He might if he were gay? My consciousness is just fine, you should address your double standard.
     
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    Yes she did, she claimed to be too afraid to fly but that turned out to be untrue, she claimed she needed a house with 2 doors but had lived perfectly happily in houses with one before, she claimed 4 boys were involved then decided it was only 2, I could go on. I'm not dragging her through the mud, this is a statement of fact, she had every motivation in the world to lie and the Dems were desperate enough at that stage to pretty much try anything. Kavanaugh drank beer, that's not the same as being a 'known drunk' and even if he were it doesn't make him a rapist.
     
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    She couldn't remember everything else but she could recognise Kavanaugh 35 years later? When everyone else contradicts her story?
     
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    That's just....creepy.
     
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    Now I really think you are that crazed protester who attacked Flake! We're responsible for women not being able to vote until 1918? Or that Harvard didn't let them in? Or women couldn't get credit? Really? Believing in presumption of innocence, due process and jurisprudence does not make us misogynists or victim blamers, it means we believe in freedom and justice and we don't care what you're wearing or whether you were alone in your flat.
     
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    No, mass hysteria.
     
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    And we are not talking about the history of women's right's here, we are talking about men being dragged through the mud and having their lives ruined (even going to prison!) for drunken misunderstandings or entirely baseless allegations. We're not blaming the victims because we can't be sure they ARE victims.
     

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