Why is it so hard to calculate the Earths age?

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  1. a sound mind

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  2. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    You first. Prove that Satan did not create the universe
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    for the very few who actually that believe the earth is 6,000 years young, there is no amount of scientific evidence that will persuade them otherwise, because this belief is not founded on fact, but on an ancient book written by scientifically illiterate and ignorant people whose default answer to all causation they did not comprehend was god.

    Someone with such faith will never accept "radioactive decay" as "evidence". The answer to everything they don't understand is "god". been that way since the dawn of time.
     
  4. I justsayin

    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Good point. And I have to point out I'm a Christian.
     
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    Maybe he did, but if he did create 6,000 years ago a fully functioning and aged universe, how would you know? You won't know, unless you can prove that God (satan, or whatever supernatural being you want to name) never existed.

    That's the point, you can never prove that God did not create the Universe, so you can never win an argument that the universe was created 6,000 years ago. You cannot beat an argument based on an all-powerful God who can do anything.
     
  6. AboveAlpha

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    IS ancient.

    Neutron Decay does not lie.

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  7. AboveAlpha

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    We can also measure the distances using calculations of Gravitic Effect.

    In reality there is not enough regular matter to generate enough gravity to prevent the stars orbiting on the outside arms of spiral galaxies from flying away.

    Dark Matter exists throughout our Universe and adds to the Gravitic Effect that helps hold the Galaxies together.

    As well Dark Energy is creating Space-Time between the Galaxies making them seem to fly away from each other.

    Both Dark Matter and Dark Energy might very well be Multiple Universes bleeding over into each other.

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    And we cannot definitively say that Monkey's might not some day fly out of your butt!! LOL!!!

    Probability is the issue.

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    The burden of proof lies with those who offer a supernatural explanation.

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  8. Battle3

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    Wow you just don't get it. It cannot be proven nor disproven that God created a working aged universe 6,000 years ago or 100 years ago. No matter what you say, the retort will always be that God did it, and you cannot refute that claim. There is no resolution possible until you die and find out if God did it.
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    Your argument is so open ended that it could be applied to anything.

    We could say...even though 100 Billion people have been served at McD's that it cannot be proven they were served in a holographic simulation.

    Or you could say....it cannot be proven that we actually exist because it could all be a dream.

    PROBABILITY is the only relative factor in this instance.

    The PROBABILITY that a GOD as advertised in ancient human religious text created the earth and universe and perhaps multiverse only 6000 years ago is so low it goes beyond a STATISTICAL IMPOSSIBILITY!!!

    A Statistical Impossibility exists when probability is lower than 1 in 10^150th.

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    Proving the definite age of our planet is mostly theoretical...Proving the age of the oldest part however has been done several times and they are very, very old.
     
  11. AboveAlpha

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    We might be a little off but the earth certainly is NOT only 6000 years old.

    We might be off plus or minus 0.3 Billion years.

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    That's correct, now you get it. Its such a broad all encompassing claim it can be applied to any fact or situation that you can propose including "probability". There is no way to beat it, whatever you say the return is "God did it". Its a pointless argument to engage in.
     
  13. AboveAlpha

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    I am not trying to..."BEAT"....anything.

    I am simply debating what the reality most likely is based upon evidence....real...tangible....EVIDENCE.

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  14. tecoyah

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    Considering the oldest documented civilization is older than that.....I would say it's a good bet.
     
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    Why are you suing Answers in Genesis? Why use a source that claims the earth is 6,000 years based off of adding the ages of characters in the Bible instead of using radioisotope dating methods that are accepted as fact?

    Why are you using a source stating the earth is younger than the domestication of the dog?

    Why are you using a source stating the earth is younger than the world's first dildo?

    When you are using the ages of Frodo Baggins, Golum, and Aragorn to determine the age of the earth you are going to be wrong. If you are using the steady and consistent rates of decay in radioisotopes you are going to be pretty damn close.
     
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    I've always figured this:

    Most people believe that the Bible is told symbolically in Revelation after the Seven Churches of Asia.

    Why not believe the story is told symbolically in Genesis up until Abram(Abraham) enters the picture?

    It has a nice "book end" quality to it.
     
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    Yeah...the Chinese have what? 10,000 years of documented history?

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    Humanity in one form or another has existed for over 5 Million years.

    And there were 100's of thousands if not Millions of humans that lived before Abraham.

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    They were late comers.
     
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    Reality is Humanity in one form or another has existed on Earth for over 5 million years which is a blink of an eye compared to the age of earth.

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    For the OP, it isn't hard - our planet Earth is about 4.5 billion years old - there is no need for debate, unless one has a certain agenda. What an extraordinary age we live in, a stunning period of discovery whereby all of us have access to scientific discovery after discovery. Just the last 20 years or so have been particularly fruitful. I wish I could be around for the future as we tackle even greater challenges, such as exploring and figuring what dark matter and dark energy are and what their properties are and their impact (beyond what we already know) on the universe. Our known universe is immense and getting bigger by the second, even though the universe has been estimated at about 13.8 billion years old, the radius is about 46.5 billion light years and growing - fast. Again, what a great age to be alive as we continue to move forward.

    I read above there are those asking (demanding actually) someone to prove the non existence of "something" instead of providing the evidence of the existence of that "something" - isn't this being logically fallacious?
     
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    Better to use science to try to figure things out than just guess.

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    I am a geologist, so find the OP pretty funny and the link, which I have seen before hilarious.

    It is clearly written by someone with almost no basic understanding of science.
     
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    We have tree ring records that date back 13,900 years or so.

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    Of course I don't. That can't be proved either way. I just have logic. My knowledge of God is that He wouldn't create a world that looked older than it was. Anyway, science cannot prove anything.

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    Actually, it was calculated in 1654 by Archbishop Ussher. At the time, everybody was a hardcore creationist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ussher
     
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    The clock.
     
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    To use science for the age of the earth is only a guess. There is nothing to base the facts off of. Even carbon dating has been debunked. The scientific world is nothing but theories. The only thing absolutely proven is math. Numbers can't lie. Scientists can.
     

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