Why is Mitch McConnell refusing to subpoena any documents and witnesses?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Is it because he believes the documents and witnesses would prove Trump guilty?

    I mean, the House did it's investigation and Impeached. That means there is sufficient evidence for a trial. It's in a trial (not during the investigation) that you present proof! The trial is held in the Senate.


    So do you agree with McConnell that the Senate should just rubber-stamp a "not guilty" verdict without even bringing up any evidence?
     
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    Mitch knows they would all confirm trump's guilt.
     
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    "Why is Mitch McConnell refusing to subpoena any documents and witnesses?"

    cause he must believe Trump is guilty and they would not look good for Trump
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    this video should be played in the Senate

    in Trump's own words what he wanted from the call

    the reporter asked him, he answered..... all on video

     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the Senate chooses to do so they can, but not before they receive the Articles of impeachment. It is none of Pelosi' damn business anyway. They had their little party behind closed doors in the basement of the Capital building.
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    The job of the Senate is to try the case made by the House. Read the Constitution. Pelosi was in a hurry to wait. Democrats have been talking about impeachment since before Trump's nomination ,,, I found one reference in April 2016, yet the incompetent fool couldn't make a case. Democrat incompetence is not a McConnell problem.
     
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    Basically this trial is a set-up to ambush the House managers with every procedural impediment, every roadblock etc that the imagination of Senate republicans and Trump's attorneys can possibly envision to make the House managers look bad, undermine their case, and ensure Trumps' 'triumph' . I still say that Pelosi appoint House Managers, transfer the articles, fulfilling her minimal duty for impeachment, and then have the managers resign before a trial date then simply refuse to re-appoint them. Deny Moscow Mitch and Donny Dark of the means to have a legitimate trial and acquittal. Make them dismiss the charges, which is exactly what they want to do after they turn the trial into a showcase for their propaganda. They can do all that without wasting the time of Roberts, and the House managers. The House moves forward with other business while republicans give speeches and shake their fists at a nearly empty chamber.

    We do however continue to investigate Trump for obstruction of justice articles and continue to demand those subpoenas be enforced pursuant to further impeachment proceedings.
     
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    Because the house did that.

    Are you saying that the house didn't do their job?
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    Pelosi stalled because there is no case. Abuse of power is not an impeachable offense. Obstruction of Congress is not an impeachable offense. The Founders considered and dropped abuse of power. Pelosi didn't pursue a court order to get Trump to produce documents and witnesses. I think this will be quick.
     
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    Maybe McConnell can subpoena you op?
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    The house hid behind closed doors, didn't allow Republicans to call witnesses, and sent Schiff for brains out to spin a bunch of unsubstantiated lies.

    The articles identify actions that are not impeachable. They should be dismissed.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    How can they make a case if there hasn't been a trial?

    Making cases is what trials are for.
     
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    This is not a criminal trial. It is a political trial. The senate can make the trial whatever they want. TT.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I'm not completely sure that she should just appoint the managers and carry on. I don't have a definitive position, but right now it looks like she's controlling the process. The baseline is that Moscow Mitch receives the articles, calls for a vote, and ends it in a matter of ... minutes. No evidence, no witnesses... nothing. So people don't pay attention.

    So any gain Pelosi can obtain from that starting baseline is a good thing.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    They did the part of the job that they are supposed to do while in the House. They impeached him! Now the House managers need to go to the Senate for the next part: the trial.

    You still don't know how Impeachment works?

    It's about time you start finding out, don't you think? Or are you just waiting until Rush Limbaugh (or one of those ignorant nuts) explains it to you?
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What the hell are you talking about? They were on national TV from morning to night for... days.

    What are you doing here? You have no idea what you're talking about. You're wasting our time!
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No they can't! They have an oath to uphold. Two oaths, as a matter of fact: One when they took office, and another when the Impeachment trial begins.

    I'm growing a little tired of so-called "Americans" who are unable to put their country before their political dogma. All for blind following of a fake idol. They should never ever come near the word "patriotism" ... ever again in their life.
     
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    The oath is not to convict. It is a political trial with all the political implications.
    So am I. I see little in this that is for the good of the country. It is closer to a vendetta.
     
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    "The oath is not to convict". In every single level in existence, that sentence makes no sense.

    No you're not.
     
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    it makes perfect sense. Reading what you write, you would think it is a forgone conclusion that they should convict. There are two parts to the trial. The first part is to determine whet Trump did or did not do. The second part is to evaluate what Trump did or did not do to determine whether he should be removed for whatever he did or did not do. That second part is where it gets highly political.
    Are you now a mind reader? Or are you questioning my patriotism? I advise you not do do that.
     
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    Looks like it. But for some reason I can only read yours.

    There must be a logical explanation.... hmmmm.
     
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    The job of the Senate is not to re-investigate but to run a trial based on the investigation where the prosecutors, in this case the House dem clown show, presents their evidence. Just because the House didn't do their job doesn't mean they get a do-over.

    Apparently you know how weak their case is.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How about considering that I have a very different view of what I think is best for my country and letting it go at that? Certainly, I do not believe what you are advocating is the best for my country.
     
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    It's not. It's to serve as jury in the trial. And the job of the House Managers is to prove to them that the President is guilty. So why doesn't Moscow Mitch just let everybody do their job?
     
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    The house didn't do their job. If they did, then they would have figured out that there were no high crimes and misdemeanors committed.

    And the Senate will do its job and throw out this sham case.
     
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