Why is Obamacare Failing?

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  1. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    How about backing up your claims with some legitimate success stories instead of quoting the man who lied to us 37 times about keeping our current health insurance.

    Don't forget to link to the source, OK?
     
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    The millions of people who benefit from healthcare reform don't write letters saying that their expectation are met and their lives have been improved. Only the irresponsible who have benefitted in the past from their ability to dump their health care on others if need be are whining about reality sucking.
     
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    hey, if it takes million to save one, it's a success.................These poster children for Maobama care are ridiculous..at least they admit they are moochers and deadbeats
     
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    It's clear why you'd like to return to health care as an entitlement of aristocracy.

    It's not going to happen though.
     
  5. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Please dont change the subject to what-if when we're discussing what is.

    Obamacare is a huge disaster. The only ones who don't agree are those unaffected or receiving a subsidy.

    Which category do you fall into?
     
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    I think it should be fairly obvious by now, if the administration has to lie and lie about their Health care it can not be a success. They lied about the cost, they lied about keeping your policy, your Doctor, their computer, and now the actual numbers,,,what's left? I just do not know how anybody can keep a straight face and talk about it....
     
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    Which category do you fall into?

    One who accepts personal responsibility to be in a position to cover your inevitable health care costs, no matter the amount (my category), or one who plans on relying on others for a bailout should the worst case happen?
     
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    Yes, the information is out there: http://www.bing.com/search?q=Cost+of+getting+Obamacare+up+and+running&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=cost+of+getting+obamacare+up+and+running&sc=0-17&sp=-1&sk=&ghc=1&cvid=4a5bb18f229e42febcd7ba6fc59c84cb

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    Funny how you libs add "phobe" or "phobia" to anything that you cannot defend properly.
     
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    Obama's administration is pretty easy to defend to people who get their view of the world from news.

    But there are so many who chose to get opinions handed to them from Republican propaganda media. They are "news proof".
     
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    Is that what it was doing? I beg your pardon. Defending the victims of corporate abuse didn't seem to be your thing. Tell me...were you so adamant about the ACA prior to Obama, or was everything all 'peaches and cream' with health care abuse, and costs?
     
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    stop already with the racial slurs....................only a person with a weak argument or no argument resorts to such fallacies. this thread isn't about your small petty tyrant. He is a thief and a liar, He isn't American and he's a muslim. so enough with defending the American hating mother (*)(*)(*)(*)er. I don't like him because he is a thief, a liar, and is unqualified to lead a pack of boyscouts.
    Tell us the truth, you have obocare without making payments. Of course such people are going to defend their free handouts, that's why you guys are defending him, because you've become convinced it is our job to feed a bunch of lazy asses while all y'all take a free ride. You guys aren't Liberals at all, you guys are moochers looking for a way NOT to have to be responsible for yourselves.
    I wonder how many of you actually are living in mumu's and dada's basement at 35 yrs old.....you know........non-contributors. I once heard a word for such things in a movie..useless pieces of society that don't have a particular............you know, dings
     
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    Liberals are more destructive than Hitler. They desire to demolish the world just to get a free sammich. The will lie cheat and steal the truth to defend their entitlements. They do not hold jobs to provide for themselves or their families. They mass produce babies just for the free money that comes for the rest of us called, hard working Americans. They are lazy and now they actually believe that the rest of us are here to provide for them. They believe they are truly of the Master-Slave race where they actually think they are better than having to work to survive.
    It shows when they are celebrating the destruction of 100's of millions families. They don't care about those people, they only care about themselves making them anything BUT Liberal. They feign concern for the little guy, but in reality, they are moochers and only thinking of themselves.
    They wouldn't know a hard days work from playing video games at 35years old sitting on the couch in their parents' basement.
    The weak and worthless are the first ones in the herd to get eaten because they haven't learned to fend for themselves.
    Libs are weak and worthless and contribute nothing for society. Therefore, I will start referring to them as The Weak and Worthless
     
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    one more time...you are lying about those of us that had healthcare BEFORE Obama was a wet dream for Libs.
    We were relying upon ourselves. You keep beating that statement like it was a drum. You mean to say is that you are irresponsible and didn't want to get a job to fend for your self. Now that you can get it from someone else's hard work we are lazy because we don't want to support your life.
    buggar off, chumley
     
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    There is nothing at all wrong with calling white supremacy, racism. It is what it is.

    On the other hand speculation that people who are not Obamaphobes live in their parents basement is only what you wish was true. It's trumped up hate for those who you can't defend your media addled politics to.
     
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    Your rants define who you are, not me, and it ain't pretty. It must take something special to feel as superior as you do when you have so little to work with.
     
  17. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Your post has nothing to do with fact Obamacare is failing miserably. Why do you take such delight in the suffering of millions of Americans? Appears you prefer to side with big govt against your fellow Americans. Shameful.
     
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    In the Republican fantasy, everything done by Obama is a failure. Why? It's the only reality that lets them continue in American politics after the dismal performance by their concept of government, under Bush. In a perfect world, American democracy would end conservatism for ever in our government.

    But GOP media keeps churning out their lies and desperate conservatives just keep swallowing them.

    Meanwhile, and despite every effort by republicans to completely shutdown American government, it keeps on solving problems.
     
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    In the three months since the exchanges opened, the 14 states that established their own exchanges and accepted Medicaid funding reported increases amounting to 37.2% of the projected yearly exchange purchases and 42.9% of the projected Medicaid enrollments. In the 23 states that refused to establish insurance exchanges, refused to cooperate in making the federal Web site easily accessible and declined to expand Medicaid, exchange purchases were just 5.6% of the projected increase and Medicaid enrollments just 1.5%. The 13 states that partially embraced the programs had increases lower than the 14 full implementers but higher than the 23 "refusniks."

    Contrary to what the Obamaphobes would have us "believe," the ACA is working as planned, perhaps a little better, in the states where governors and legislatures chose to implement it, such as California and New York. It is barely working in those states where governors and legislators have refused to implement it, such as Texas.

    It's clear that the number of states declining any participation probably will diminish over time, as the "teapublican" faction in the RINO party's "grip" in this party wanes or as older white conservative voters die off, the resulting "red"-"blue" division between the states probably will be a feature of our country's economy for some time.

    Let me repeat --- that the conservative argument that the ACA is a "disaster" is true only when it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Most of the negative consequences that the "teapublicans" have warned against have occurred only in those places where they have subverted implementation of the law.
     
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    The Obamaphobic obstructionists in Congress have no policies that could plausibly lead to universal health care coverage. Instead, these obliviots have moved in the opposite direction, vowing to reduce spending on government programs. One unfortunate consequence of cutting spending that goes toward health insurance for poor people is that fewer poor people have health insurance.

    Indeed, influential conservatives have been turning on the idea of universal coverage entirely. Michael Cannon, director of health care policy at the libertarian Cato Institute, has formed the "Anti-Universal Coverage Club," whose members "reject the idea that government should ensure that all individuals have health insurance." This attitude is now the norm within the RINO party, even if it is rarely acknowledged so starkly.
     
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    Well actually... it isn't "failing".
     
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    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Guess it depends on who you ask... real Americans or Obama bootlickers.

    "HA! I FINALLY get through after a grueling 5+ hrs on the phone and was guaranteed by the "supervisors" that I'd be eligible for insurance in January (because the website is horribly broken...STILL), and it's January 14th and my enrollment has STILL not been sent to the insurance company! FAILURE all around and people should be fired. I did NOT wait until the last minute. I tried consistently (over the phone as well as through the website) only to have my applications erased by the phone reps and being told lie after lie. Epic failure. You should be ashamed.Like(*)·(*)7(*)·(*)Reply(*)·(*)Jan 14 at 4:36pm"
     
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