Why is the media still lying about Ivermectin?

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    I was repeating what some doctors have said. These two doctors have explained it. I don't remember exactly which video they were. Start watching them. You'll hear them talk about it.
    https://drleemerritt.com/
    https://www.drtenpenny.com/
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    No, this is NOT a review of any scientific paper. It's also not a paper in its own right.

    A review of a work of science would cover one paper. And, the review would be an analysis of the hypotheses, methodologies, assumptions, conclusions, etc. of that paper.

    This opinion piece you posted is an argument in favor of ivermectin that simply assumes the various conclusions claimed by others.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    That's not good enough.

    The conspiracy YOU need to support has to include, at the VERY least, ALL countries that have legitimate science groups working on issues of how to treat COVID.

    The reason is that is the level of agreement that exists.

    Plus, I know how RAND got paid and I know how cigarette companies got paid for what I'm sure are blatant lies.

    You still need to show evidence that a conspiracy exists.

    AND, that really does need to include an indication of motivation that would be sufficient to corrupt NOT just the CDC, but agencies the world over.
     
  4. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    I am ABSOLUTELY uninterested in "doctors talking about it".

    Please show me the science.

    AND, if you are going to make more of your claims about conspiracies, then cite the justification for that, too. And, I mean actual evidence, not more videos of guys talking.
     
  5. Scott

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    The fact that they are all playing dumb about these vaccine-related deaths and injuries is enough to show there's a conspiracy.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ure-such-events.569790/page-8#post-1072913550
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...ure-such-events.569790/page-8#post-1072915239

    Your refusing to look at info that debunks your position pretty much destroys your credibility. You're not someone to take seriously.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I get it. You want one paper from big Pharma that left wing media approves of.


    https://c19ivermectin.com
     
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    Not a research paper
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, evidence is irrelevant unless big Pharma produces a paper the dogma approves of. Proof is a pyramid and the evidence is irrefutable that ivermectin is a strong anti-viral for many viruses including dengue fever, influenza and even HIV.

    The politics of health is the greatest threat to health.
     
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    I’ve never seen the claim the CDC came up with the idea to try ivermectin on Covid. There is work going back to at least 2012 on ivermectin for inhibiting RNA viruses. None of that research was done by the CDC as far as I’m aware.
     
  10. WillReadmore

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    False. I absolutesly am NOT "playing dumb about these vaccine-related deaths and injuries.

    Not even slightly.

    I've pointed anyone who asks about this to the CDC site where the analysis and investigation of VAERS reports is being performed.

    I am NOT interested in crap data from some people who think they saw something.

    You are using these individual stories as a rebuttal to the serious testing regimes that science applies.

    AND, you haven't even bother to comment on the serious points concerning the Israel "test".

    I do not accept this idea of comparing ANECDOTES to SCIENCE.
     
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    You're mixed up about the role of the CDC.

    The CDC isn't the organization that engineers new solutions to health problems.

    For example, the CDC did not create ANY of the COVID vaccines. And, the FDA didn't. And, Dr. Fauci's organization didn't do that, either.

    That's not their role.
     
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    The FDA HAS tested specific ivermectin formulations for safety in use on humans.

    What has not ben completed is CDC testing of ivermectin to determine if it is useful in preventing or treating COVID. This testing is prospective (not retrospective as immunity study done in Israel). It includes controls, significant sample sizes etc. - a serious study as per science based medicine.

    So far, they are not sounding positive.
     
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    Please quote where I made such a claim. I’m well aware of the role of the CDC. They do fund and subcontract out a lot of research but they are not actively involved in development of any product. That is not my question.
     
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    And that in and of itself tells you something because if an intervention/medication is strongly positive - either way they will halt the test. The classic example of that was the ISIS 2 trial which was halted halfway through as the evidence was overwhelming that we were saving lives with Streptokinase and aspirin.
     
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    No kidding? Many years ago.
    Link to CDC testing?
    Correct.

    Now, can you substantiate this claim or not? I’m bored to tears of strawman fallacy.
     
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    The flaw in your argument is that you're trusting something from the mainstream. I gave an example of a bogus study that was designed to take in the public.
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...bout-ivermectin.591850/page-6#post-1072926922

    I keep showing you evidence that we can't base any opinions on anything that comes from the mainstream as they're a bunch of known liars...
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...-lies-furiously.583345/page-3#post-1072886629
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...-lies-furiously.583345/page-2#post-1072652969
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...-lies-furiously.583345/page-2#post-1072771889

    ...and you keep playing dumb about it.

    https://www.clubconspiracy.com/counter-intellegience-tricks-and-techniques-t4702.html
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    9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
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    Thinking people aren't going to take you seriously.
     
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    This thread nicely demonstrates that you can lead a man to knowledge, but you cannot make him think.
     
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    A scofflaw Big Bad Government can take everything away whenever it wants to. Alas.
     
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    I've cited that multiple times.

    It's easy to find at CDC.
     
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    If it’s easy to find please post it. If not, I’ll accept your concession that this is also a false claim just like your previous false claim here:


     
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    Good LORD! Seriously considering science based medicine is NOT A FLAW.

    It's not a "flaw" to listen when science based medicine from every country around the world is saying the same thing.

    As mentioned before, YOU can NOT explain a conspiracy theory that large. In fact, you haven't even tried. Yet YOUR argument depends on that!

    Betting on ivermectin because of stories is as stupid as those who bet on hydroxychloroquine for the same kind of justification - STORIES.

    Will it be found that there is some use for ivermectin in combatting COVID? So far, science based medicine is highly doubtful. So, they recommend against this. People need to be using the defensive procedures that are KNOWN TO WORK.

    If you cared about people's health, you would be promoting solutions that are KNOWN TO WORK rather than encouraging people to IGNORE those solutions. In this way, you are a THREAT to people's health.

    btw: How come you are picking THESE stories instead of looking into monoclonal antibodies and other procedures that are being tested?

    And, again. Please make your next post an explanation of how there could be a world wide conspiracy among scientists concerning ivermectin.
     
  22. WillReadmore

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    LOL!!!

    If you can't even do THAT then you have NO business being in this discussion.
     
  23. WillReadmore

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    https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/2021/pdf/CDC_HAN_449.pdf

    Now, please stop posting on this topic, as you demonstrate NO facility or even interest in the topic.
     
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    It doesn’t exist. Nobody will find it because the CDC is not doing a study as you claim.
     
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    Here is your claim.
    Here is what you are calling a study I guess. An official health advisory. It is most certainly not a controlled study as you claim.

    upload_2021-9-10_13-23-42.png

    You people are clown shoes ridiculous.

    You know nothing of ivermectin or “science”.

    I’ve posted more facts on ivermectin than anyone on PF. Go search my content. Do you know why areas in Africa that use Ivermectin regularly likely have lower death rates from Covid?

    You think you are going to pass a health advisory off to me as a study? Really?

    Why make up things that aren’t true? What’s your agenda for doing so?
     
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