Why is the media still lying about Ivermectin?

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  1. Scott

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    I will not stop pointing out your disinformation. You should be ashamed of what you do in the name of “science”. If you don’t want me questioning your disinformation stop posting disinformation.
     
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    “SCIENCE” IS "NOW JUST A POLITICAL SLOGAN": How the Pandemic Is Changing the Norms of Science: Imperatives like skepticism and disinterestedness are being junked to fuel political warfare that has nothing in common with scientific methodology.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/472983/

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    Lying Grifter.​

    We deserve better.
     
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    Yep. I posted this a while back.
     
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    I said...
    I just came across this.

    Medical Boards Threaten Doctors Who Spread ‘COVID Vaccine Misinformation’
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...hreaten-doctors-covid-vaccine-misinformation/
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    Now doctors are being threatened with the loss of their license if they fail to toe the line of mainstream medicine on how to prevent and treat COVID.

    The Federation of State Medical Boards (FSMB) on July 29 announced doctors who “spread COVID-19 vaccine misinformation” risk disciplinary action by state medical boards, including the revocation of their medical license.

    The American Board of Emergency Medicine (ABEM) on Aug. 26 issued a similar warning, stating physicians who publicly spread misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic risk losing their board certification.

    What exactly constitutes “misinformation” is not defined in either case, and likely includes anything that doesn’t adhere to what government health authorities dictate.
     
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    The various Medical Boards and the AMA have become modern versions of the Ministry of Information.
     
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    One must understand that drugs cannot eradicate viruses. They can alleviate symptoms caused by viral infections. These therapeutics may provide some improvement in symptoms. We find out by conducting a clinical trial. I don't believe a clinical trial has been conducted. Designing such a trial has its difficulties since the symptoms of those infected are not uniform in type or severity.

    So there is some evidence that these drugs have a therapeutic value for some patients. There is no proof by clinical trial. In short, your opinion is valid as is the opinion of those with whom you debate. But it is opinion, not science.
     
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    This is a common problem with medicine. It's highly common for humans to react differently to just about everything - whether it is a pathogen or not.

    Take a look at the list of possible side effects associated with various medicines. Take a look at the lists of symptoms that doctors and labs must consider when diagnosing the source of disease in the face of the incredible overlap between the wide range of possible symptoms.

    The idea that medical testing can't figure this out is just plain BS. And, that is NOT "opinion".
     
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    Sorry. I did not say that medical testing can't figure it out. I said it can. You argued against the opposite of what I said. But there has been no clinical trial. You have an opinion just like the doctors who support the therapeutic value of these drugs. It drives me nuts when people argue against things I don't say. It results from cursory reading.
     
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    There are multiple legitimate scientific tests of ivermectin going on today, testing both prophylaxes and treatment.

    There is material that justified this testing, and that material has been evaluated.

    There are intermediate results of the ongoing testing.
     
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    Normally from our Democrats flows a litany of accusations as opposed to actual debating.
    I read you say we agree on the Media. The media controls the headlines. They control the adjectives. They are the news.
    They are presently ignoring Rose McGowan and her statements because she is talking bad about Gavin Newsom. Biden is going to CA today I believe to pour water on that fire.

    Trump has a fashion of speaking that annoys me at times. But that does not matter. What mattered is what he did for America. That Biden is currently destroying.
     
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    Well, a complete topic change. But since we are on the subject, your side can have Rose McGowan. Victim though she may be, she's also a complete loon.
     
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    It took me less than 5 seconds to find multiple articles about her comments. Why do you say they are ignoring it?
     
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    I see you tucked your tail and ran from 557. Oh well, maybe you will start to know what you don't know. I'm so sick of people propping themselves up as knowledgeable on a topic only to learn they don't have the slightest damn idea what they are talking about.
     
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    I don't have any obligation to point out the same fallacies in someone's posts over and over again.

    And, I notice that you don't even have anything to say!!
     
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    This is a document review type of meta-analysis, not a trial.

    There is no chance that the FDA or the medical decision making bodies of other first world countries would approve a medication based on a document search such as this.

    Their search strategy:
    They included studies of as few as 24 individuals - a preposterously small sample size, obviously. There is no possibility of these included samples having legitimate controls. And, I don't see any claim that included tests were prospective.

    This is the kind of review that would be used to help justify a serious prospective study using scientific methodology.

    And, such tests ARE being conducted.
     
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    Dude. You tried to pass a health advisory off as a controlled study! You can’t point out any fallacy unless it’s your own. I’ve posted facts and you posted false claims I demonstrated to be false. Have you no shame?
     
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    No, I passed a health advisory as a health advisory.

    I have been VERY specific about there not being any completed controlled study of ivermectin.

    Have you no glasses?
     
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    Nope. I asked for the the study you said the CDC was doing on Ivermectin and you linked to a health advisory. I posted the screenshot. LOL
     
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    The one significant test of ivermectin I know about is being done by NIH. There are several in other countries an there are some as we've seen on this board which don't meet the rigors of scientific testing.

    I believe the serious NIH study is currently in phase 3.

    CDC doesn't necessarily do its own testing - there are multiple agencies that have the ability to do serious testing.

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04885530?cond=COVID-19&fund=01&draw=4&rank=143
     
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    See how easy that was? Why didn’t you just admit the CDC was not doing a study like you initially claimed? Why link to a health advisory when asked for a link to a CDC study that doesn’t exist? Why claim the CDC does studies when I told you they contract that out? Why use fallacy and say I don’t know anything about Ivermectin when I point out the above errors you make?

    I’m encouraged you are learning clinical trials.gov is a better source for in progress studies than CDC health advisories. :)
     
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    Whether the agency doing the testing was the CDC or the NIH is absolutely irrelevant to any argument being made then or now.

    I didn't realize that was how childish you were being.

    The point was that ivermectin has shown enough promise to be tested.

    Those evidences of promise, such as doctors with opinions, weak meta analyses, etc., were NOT BEING DISREGARDED as so many ARE STILL CLAIMING.

    AND, again that kind of evidence is NOT good enough to certify ivermectin for use against COVID.


    If you knew that, YOU should have pointed that out to the others who couldn't figure it out. BUT, you were one of them.
     
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    Look, your posts are one false claim after another. You come here pretending to understand the subject but almost everything you say is false. Calling you out for repeated misinformation is not childish. I owe it to those who are looking for truth here.

    Here is your first false claim I responded to and my response.
    From there you made more false claims about what agencies study treatments and posted verifiably false information to back your initial false claims. All the while telling me I don’t know what I’m talking about even though I’m the one pointing out YOUR misinformation with verifiably correct information.

    I don’t understand why you think you can just make up things that are verifiably false and expect to be taken seriously on matters of science. Your information is worse than that of the posters in this thread you criticize.

    I’m on record all over PF saying self medication with an unproven treatment isn’t wise. I’m also all over PF pointing out lies told about Ivermectin. Like yours about the CDC “finding” Ivermectin as a possible Covid treatment. It’s been studied for anti viral properties for almost 20 years and not by the CDC. I have never claimed it’s efficacious for Covid treatment. I’m happy to wait and see. But I’m weary of people like you making false claims about it.
     
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    Check this out.

    https://www.coronafraud.com/2021/09/fda-responds-to-vaccines-have-killed.html
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    Trials of ivermectin are being done by NIH that deliberately underdose the drug in order to prove to the world that it doesn’t work.
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    I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be true. Do a page search on ivermectin on the above page; there's a lot of info there.
     
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