Why is there only one begotten son of God? Is he you?

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  1. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

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    Why is there only one begotten son of God? Is he you?

    The God sold by Christianity say that God has no limits, yet God is limited to only one begotten son. Or is he?

    Is there is only one begotten son of God, Jesus, because you can only create one?

    All sons of God are creations of your own mind, gleaned from finding your internal spark of God, as described by Jesus, who states clearly that God is within you. Within you can only exist one God and thus only one son of God. That son of God is yourself, should you choose to follow Jesus’ way.





    Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

    John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    Are you ready to step up?

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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Who was that guy in 2 Esdras 2:42-48 (CEB)? =
    "42 I, Ezra, saw on Mount Zion a great crowd, which I couldn’t number. They were all praising the Lord together with songs. 43 In their midst was a tall young man, standing above all the rest. He placed crowns on each of their heads, and they were further honored.

    I began to wonder, 44 and I asked an angel, “Who are these people?”

    45 The angel answered me, “These are the ones who took off the mortal garment and put on the immortal and confessed the name of God. Now they are being crowned, and they are receiving palms.”

    46 I said to the angel, “Who is that young man who gives them crowns and palms?”

    47 The angel answered, “That is God’s Son, whom they confessed in the mortal world.”

    I began to praise and celebrate the Lord. 48 The angel said to me, “Go announce to his people how many wonders the Lord God has shown you.”
     
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    Your argument is fallacious. God has some limits. He cannot act in an unrighteous manner etc.

    And Jesus is God not just His Son. While the Trinity is supposed to be a mystery to man it can be understood in a limited fashion. So only God can be Son and Holy Spirit each being fully God and fully separate and still One.

    Humans are clearly not God or Yeshua so no person can be The Son of God. You can be a son of God and a priest. That's Christianity whether you believe or understand it.
     
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    Why is there only one begotten son? Because John 3:16 sounds more dramatic that way.
     
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    Read something like Systemic Theology or read John 5-10 times. Be prepared to doubt which is normal.
     
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    For a guy who wasn't going to testify about himself he sure talked about himself a lot.
     
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    It is your argument that is demonstrably false. The God of Abraham regularly acted in an unrighteous manner.
     
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    No. No man is righteous as Judeo-Christianty teaches us. You don't understand Christianty yet you wish to teach it.
     
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    What are you blubbering about ? The question was not whether or not man is righteous but your claim that God can not be "un-righteous".

    Try posting something other than straw man logical fallacy.
     
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    Show your argument to prove your criticism.

    How can you know this when God is said by your own religion to be unknowable and unfathomable?

    Is it righteous for your God to kill when he can cure? As in the great flood or the killing of Egypt first born.

    Is it righteous for your God to torture a baby for 6 days before finally killing it because of his anger with the babies father as the bible shows your God doing in the King David myth?

    I could show a lot more but let us see if you have what it takes to argue for your immoral and unrighteous God.

    Ok. I will accept your lie for here.

    So your God can die. No wonder he does not pop up.

    This is B S so I will let this link argue against your delusional thinking.



    Explain the last 3 quotes in the O.P. then and tell us what a brethren to Jesus is if not a brethren to Jesus.

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    Judeo-Christianity also teaches that it is a sin to seek knowledge of anything and that man should remain mentally blind and intellectually stupid.

    Do you find it strange that the Judeo part of the world as well as any thinking person, sees Eden as our place of elevation, while your Christian part calls our enlightenment a fall?

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    As it says in 1 Corinthians 14:38 (NKJV) = "But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant."
     
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    That is refuted by a better quote which allows us to show our love to even the ignorant.

    Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

    If the ignorant one was in your family or friendship circle, which quote would you follow?

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    I thought people were claiming that the Old Testament doesn't apply to Christians?
     
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    They would be wrong as Jesus references parts of it. He even speaks of Moses.

    Christians like to separate Jesus and Yahweh, and ignore the foolish Trinity concept, --- so that they can ignore how big of a prick Yahweh is as compared to Jesus, --- even though Jesus shows really poor morals in the policies he teaches.

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    Yeshua didn't really bring anything new to the table except that he was worthy of being worshipped as God and that it was OK to work on the sabbath and to eat whatever you can cram into your mouth. Everything else was Old Testament stuff.
     
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    Basically, except perhaps for hell, I agree.



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    Let me add to the question.


    If there is only one begotten son, who are the sons of God spoken of in the O.T.?


    Who mothered them?


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    Your first paragraph confuses me.

    There are several interpretations of Genesis.
     
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    He said He was God. More than once for which the Jews wished to stone Him and for which He was delivered to the Romans for death.

    Perhaps you will consider reading John several times to refresh the theology.
     
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    Not to Christians who claim that the seeking of knowledge and eating of the tree of knowledge by A & E is man's original sin.

    Then again, with the, what, 3,000 different Christian denominations, there are bound to be exceptions. Which denomination did you have in mind? Mormon's perhaps?

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    This is not accurate. They had him crucified in the political method because he claimed to be king of the Jews. Note the crown of thorns.

    Jews had already forgiven Jesus for saying he was a God.

    John 10; 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

    34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be

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    Eating from the tree of knowledge is not condemning seeking knowledge. It merely means self awareness and to me the awareness of God. From that springs free will and sin as well as the need or ability to worship depending on your personal POV. I didn't say I was Christian but I admit to understanding Christian Theology more than others. I'm very aware of Mormon Theology which, IMO, is not Christian at all. But I've yet to meet a Mormon I didn't like.
     
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    No one here said it was.
    Christian dogma says that God forbid it and condemned all of mankind with original sin because of our A & E ignoring his really stupid command not to eat of it.


    To me, the fact that a God is not required and that the bible God is not bright enough to follow as his laws are inferior to man's.

    Which man has used to worship idols and Gods while Jesus, an archetypal good man, preached to seek God, not idol worship one.

    Mormonism, like all idol worshiping religions, is based on lies. That is why I do not respect any of the idol worshiping cults. Although just as delusional as all idol worshiping cults, they are more benign and in that sense are more likable than Christians.

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