Why is there so much abstention in USA ?

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Candidates such as Ralph Nader who represent the people are excluded from the process.

    Ralph Nader being threatened with arrest


    If candidates such as Ralph Nader were allowed to speak to the people on the same scale as the others, they'd probably win the next election hands down (assuming the elections are not rigged).


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    Noam Chomsky - Voting

     
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  2. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    Here are two more good ones. Our system is called a democracy but it ain't.

    Noam Chomsky - America is NOT a Democracy


    Noam Chomsky on Democracy



    It's pretty easy to see why so many people don't bother to vote.
     
  3. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The founding fathers of america knew only two examples of Democracy : the first was with Cromwell, and happened before the american revolution, the second one was the french revolution who was a deep failure as a democratic experiment and a huge waste of life (2 millions dead french people for a population of 30 million).

    Most of them distrust democracy.

    It's rather intersting to notice that the athenian democracy choose the randomness for pick the representative in the assemblies. Only when a post ned some skillfullness, they used the vote system.
     
  4. delade

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    New Data Show Chronic Absenteeism is Widespread and Prevalent Among All Student Groups
    https://www.ed.gov/news/press-relea...spread-and-prevalent-among-all-student-groups

    A new analysis from the U.S. Department of Education shows that chronic absenteeism impacts students in all parts of the country and is prevalent among all races, as well as students with disabilities. The first-ever national comprehensive data collected on chronic absenteeism reveal that more than 6 million students—or 13 percent of all students—
    missed at least 15 days of school in the 2013-14 school year. The data paint a striking picture of how many students miss three weeks or more of school each year.


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    https://www.thebalance.com/paid-vacation-days-1918285

    According to the Society for Human Resource Management (SHRM), in a benefits study highlighted by Salary.com, employees with:




      • One year of service receive an average of 9 paid vacation days,
      • Two years of service receive an average of 10 paid vacation days,
      • Three - four years of service receive an average of 12 paid vacation days,
      • Five years of service receive an average of 14 paid vacation days,
      • Six - seven years of service receive an average of 15 paid vacation days,



      • Eight - nine years of service receive an average of 16 paid vacation days,
      • Ten years of service receive an average of 17 paid vacation days,
      • 11-13 years of service receive an average of 18 paid vacation days,
      • 14-15 years of service receive an average of 19 paid vacation days, and
      • More than 15 years of service receive an average of 21 paid vacation days.


    I guess after the 6th or 7th grade is when classroom absenteeism begins to get high, huh?






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    huh?
     
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  5. Ndividual

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    The reality is that a non-vote is a vote in the sense that those voters may have no candidate who they could support, and a vote for the least worst candidate would only make it appear that the winner was given a mandate by the people to carry out their agenda. If voting was to be made mandatory, then I would hope it would also become necessary to win by a margin of greater than 50% of the total number of registered voters, not simply a plurality.
     
  6. tkolter

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    I don't understand I'm disabled, poor and vote because I feel my input is important and people died to let me vote being the only duty that is really expected of me other than obey the laws locally and nationally. But voting demands little you need to register, in my state you can get a mail-in ballot and vote early so even if your restricted to living in a bed you can vote. I think its generally a case most don't care you need to care to vote, but note if you don't vote then you have no business complaining after if you don't like the results. And voting on local issues to me matters the most the Sheriff represents me and handles legal enforcement as much as the police do, my alderman and school board matter, the PSTA board who handles the mass transit system matter and others matter. When I have a problem I go to my Alderman or City Council representative in most cases and then higher up.

    You reap what you sow and if you sow nothing then you don't reap, the poor if they voted in force could change the government makeup tomorrow its only apathy that keeps them from doing so and the powerful fear that. But do I want them to vote if they don't bother to do basic research, study issues and make an informed vote even if in their self interest.
     
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  7. Ndividual

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    The U.S. from the beginning was comprised of local and State governments who put their differences aside and united in order to achieve a common goal, independence and sovereignty from a central source of government as described in our Declaration of Independence. The sentence in that document containing the words "all men are created equal", as I was taught and believe to be the most accurate interpretation of its' meaning, is claiming that the source of sovereignty begins with each and every individual. Or put another way, no individual or group of individuals has a right greater than each individual to impose their rules upon them. Hence, in order to maintain the ability to provide protection in the long term of newly emancipated land a Constitution was created in order to unite the people, State and local governments in order to protect one and all from future attack by another nation. Our Constitution was written NOT to create a unitary form of government, but only to unite the people for their common protection allowing them to remain free to govern themselves exercising their unalienable right to Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. One might note also that the word used in the sentence is "endowed" and not "guaranteed".
    That said, democracy or "rule by the majority" should dominate only the lowest levels of government as it allows the minority little or no say at all in their lives beyond what the majority will allow them. Poor, and/or oppressive local governance results in people leaving to where they find governance more suitable and less oppressive, resulting in the gradual or immediate failure of the former. Laws created by State government come about as a result of representatives of local governments within the State which the people have greater access and control over and the greater representation would likely result from a greater number of the population existing where local governments are least oppressive. As a result, democracy "rule by the majority" plays a large part of governance at the local and State levels of government. Our Federal government however was meant to be empowered by the people, but neither by the majority or the minority and is simply a Constitutional Republic, and for that to work our Constitution needs to be understood clearly by all to mean the same thing. Since the late 19th and early 20th century we have seen but 12 amendments made to our Constitution, some of which such as the 16th and 17th amendments have greatly enhanced the powers of the Federal government, while much of the wording of our Constitution has been reinterpreted to fit a political agenda much different than the original intent.

    My interpretation of low voter turnout is a result of the quality of the candidates who are provided to cast a vote for, but then if the Federal government was limited in the power it could wield over States, local government, and the general population it wouldn't really matter much who was elected to Federal government. And if it weren't for the 16th and 17th amendments and a balanced Federal budget amendment were to be passed, the Federal government would be more contained by the States, local governments, and general population as to what it could do and how large it could grow.
     
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    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Holy ****!

    1) I'd actually forgotten I commented in this thread.

    2) Having an after work snack, I'll come back for the Word Salad L8r.
     
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    BTW, I'm not taking the piss, I'm interested in the post.
     

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