Why is Trump Getting Attacked for Blaming Both Sides?

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  1. Gdawg007

    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    Again, if you read my entire answer and use your brain, you can see how it can go both ways.

    If on the other hand you are trying to say that ensuring blacks have equal opportunity is the same as ensuring they don't, then I fear we are lost here. Rather, you are lost. That's what I meant.
     
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    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    Actually I'm of the strong opinion that we should discriminate against the rich and give more opportunities to the poor regardless of race, but that makes me a bad person in your eyes too I'm sure. Darn.
     
  3. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

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    Yes, standard Marxism. How dare successful people be successful. It's making the poor look bad!
     
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    Huh -- and I thought discrimination, especially by the state, for any reason, was a no-no.
    What other forms of discrimination do you find acceptable?
     
  5. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    No...you think you can have it both ways and still remain ethically pure. If you were honest about your position you would just admit that you would prefer to treat people equally except for affirmative action. At this point, we've had AA for almost two generations so it's not about equal opportunity, otherwise white women and other minorities besides Blacks and Indians wouldn't be eligible.
     
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    You could have fooled me. They were certainly dressed for war.
     
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    WAN Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To you only. Not to me or most sane people.

    And even if they were, it was probably because they anticipated that the violent lefties were going to show up.
     
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    What ever. Carry on.
     
  9. Gdawg007

    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    Because it makes a point, in that, we have all done things at some point that we shouldn't. It's very simple, you should be past it by now.

    I agree, Christians today have nothing to do with these attacks. But what you fail to comprehend is that the speech you are referring to was discussing religions as a whole.

    Again, think what you like. I think you are just covering for your Nazi friends. So call it even.




    You said: Antifa are villains.
    I said: Nazi's were the villains once.
    You said: We partnered with the villains of the Russian revolution, the ones who won at least, against the Nazi's
    I said: Well I'll try and salvage your pointless statement.



    I have every right to assault their heritage with words and thoughts. If they think the confederacy is a good part of their heritage then they are wrong.

    I don't like it. For one, that sympathy is often based on myth and lies. I don't have to like it. I don't have to sympathize with them. I understand their point of view, it's an easy one to have.

    Ha ha, wow, you are full of it.

    A couple things, you don't have a problem waging war against others cultures or history. As in, the MIddle East. I mean Sharia law is part of their culture and history in many of those countries. So should I demand you respect that too? Should I demand you stop suppressing their free speech with violence? Your pulling out your best moves to defend Nazi's you realize.

    I'm fine alienating Nazi's. Why are you suddenly presuming that all white people are alienated by anything I'm saying? I'm going to let you ponder what you just said. You just said that me attacking Nazi's will alienate all white voters.

    Hey white voters on this forum, how many of you feel alienated when I attack Nazi's? I didn't think so. Nice try, you think you are arguing against me, but you are just making my point for me. You sympathize with these people because you think you have been marginalized by non-whites. It's okay to admit it, wear it proudly. And you know what, use it as a voting/rallying cry in the next election and every election going forward. You can use it at your political funeral too.

    Nothing you say about the nature of American voters is correct. The voters in this country, no matter which party, are only voting more towards equality and progressive stances and further from conservative ones. The proof is easy to see. What used to make someone conservative is so old fashioned even modern day, young conservatives want nothing to do with it.
     
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    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    I discriminate against the ill-informed all the time...

    Again, if the result is providing equal opportunity, which is the opposite of discrimination, then I'm all for it. But if it's about punishing white people for the past, then I'm opposed to that.

    As for providing more opportunity for poor kids to go to college, then I'm for that.
     
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    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    If you want to do away with AA, do away it, I don't really care.

    And I am ethically pure. And if you were honest, you would admit AA has harmed very few if any white people ever. That's the truth. So if your big on honesty, I will hold you to it. And like my ethics, I rarely forget.
     
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    It wasn't a single speech where Obama made sure to bring up Christian atrocities from hundreds of years ago as a moral equivalency. He did this regularly when Muslims were in the negative spotlight. He couldn't have that, and neither could his left-wing base.

    The entire point goes back to whether or not Antifa is to share in the blame for what happened in Charlottesville. I believe they do. They've been showing up and causing violence at peaceful protests for a very long time. It was only a matter of time before someone fought back. Is your expectation that Antifa should be able to freely harm others in society because they are crusading for progressive values you believe in?

    You're doing more than that, you're taking down their monuments and trying to make it illegal for them to own a flag that you don't approve of.

    You should tolerate that other people support things that you don't. You guys are, after all, the arbiters of tolerance, and chastise others for their lack of tolerance. Practice what you preach? Or is hypocrisy too comfy as a security blanket?

    I would completely respect Sharia Law if it were confined to Islamic societies. This system is part of their religion, after all, and it would be dumb to expect them to not practice it, if they are devout Muslims. The problem arises when those people come here and try to make my non-Islamic country Sharia compliant. That I oppose, because I do not wish to live in their kind of society. If I did, there are plenty of places where I could do that.

    Not everybody at that rally identified as a "Nazi", that's just your lame way of trying to tar and feather the entire group. Many of the people present were simply against the progressive assault on their history and culture, and yes, this will alienate more white people. You really think only Nazis oppose the removal of Confederate statues and historical sites?

    Progressivism has only been growing due to a steady influx of 3rd world Hispanics from South of the border. If the US had the same demographics in 2012 that it did in 1980, Romney would have beaten Obama in a landslide similar to that of Reagan/Carter. But once the Democratic Party is the party of ethnic minorities, with a few "elite" whites trying to play ruler, I think it will be a good contrast for everyone else to base their decisions on.
     
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    1. Prove that AA has harmed very few white people.
    2. Prove that AA is not discriminatory just because it allegedly harms very few people.
     
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    Then you need to go back & read it---starting with the headline--but regardless of what source I used-
    the tweet from the Commander of the National Guard is the one I wanted you to see-(which is there)--because that was what you were arguing about in your last couple posts & calling me a fascist,when your commander feels exactly the same way I do--- which is there is no place in America for the KKK & pro Nazi----if you need clarification on that comment it is---there is no place in America for hate or hate groups----
    Also,you are free to goggle any source you want---just type in,I'll type real slow so you can follow- The joint chiefs comments on trump's racist rhetoric & then choose whatever source you want-but,here's a hint, all the sources have the same tweets from these Commanders---
     
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    A commander's opinion is not law. You can agree with him all you want, it does not change the fact that racists are just as American as you are and they have the right to free speech.
     
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    And hip-hip Hooray on there only being a small number!!!!
     
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    I never argued that AA harmed white people. If you want to ping me on a statement, make sure I made the statement first.
     
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    And once again, nope,you are interpreting my words to fit your narrative---
     
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    Your words were used, literally. No interpretation necessary.
    You do not believe people you disagree with have the right to free speech.
     
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    Ah, now we are getting somewhere in a form of discussion---
    Please tell us, why do you feel there has to be a superior race here in the United States?
    Why do the KKK wear hoods over their faces to to show this superiority? What are they hiding?
    Why does the KKK & pro-Nazi have to show up in combat gear & guns & kill a person ? One would think that being superior would be above violence in any form---Ie: you catch more flies with honey than vinegar---
    So, look forward to your views on this----
     
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    Nothing your post explains how it is "wrong" to belief that one race is superior.
    Hint: If it is in fact wrong to do so, you can explain how/why w/o asking any questions.
    Please begin.
     
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    I have repeatedly--- Here I will type real slow for you to get this----there is no place in America for hate groups like the KKK & pro-Nazi----We are all equal---
    You then can explain why you think you are superior & then why you have to do bone head things like kill people to show that superiority or wear hoods to hide your identity-
    One of the more stupid things I have seen recently is a person mutilating himself by having a swastica gouged on his forehead--- Was that Caldwell,the guy who chases parking meters in his home town?Yeah,that"ll show us---I will mutilate myself & go through great personal pain to show us how superior he is----LOL
    Pretty stupid & pathetic to me---
     
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    Nothing your post explains how it is "wrong" to belief that one race is superior.
    Looks like you can't do it.
     
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    No, sir--the onus is on you to explain why you think your superior to any other American citizen in the United States?
    Now, there is one big issue to where I believe there is a legitimate argument & reason to protest & that is "illegal" immigrants"---
    What is the KKK & Pro-Nazi reason?
    So,I believe the United States is better to live in than other countries,we have a myriad of freedoms that other countries don't --so,to show pride in who we are one can wear symbols with the United States flag---no guns, no bats,no hoods, no killing,no hate--the only thing one needs to be armed with is a smile-----now,if you have a problem with that way of thinking then consider yourself un-American----
     
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    I asked a question. There's no onus on me to say another word.
    How is it "wrong" to belief that one race is superior?
     

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