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  1. Kal'Stang

    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    considered the "The Great Divider" by those that don't like him? What has he done to deserve the title? Is it because he doesn't take crap by those throwing crap? That he isn't meek and kowtow? What makes him "The Great Divider"?
     
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    It's political rhetoric, to excuse all the political violence as "Trump's America".
    Everything is his fault, even the car accident down the street.
     
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    largely due to the fact the dems have become so radicalized that even a moderate like trump is considered a divider
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Here's a good question I'd like a Democrat to answer....

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    The " Dirty Donald" man should be here shortly, he'll tell us! :banana:
     
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    You've got it backwards with me and I'm sure many others. One of the reasons I don't like him is because he's divisive, not the other way around.

    He's divisive because he promotes an us vs. them narrative. It's pretty obvious that someone who calls the opposition by childish nicknames is not interested in unity.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    How does he promote an "us vs them narrative" in a way that is different from any other politician that we've had for a century?
     
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    Here are some facts....

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    I think he's dividing radical democrats from the center left democrats.
     
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    Who starts the childish nicknames?
     
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    Forgot to address part of your post. I don't think I do have it backwards. The phrase "Great Divider" was taken directly from a post I saw on this forum. And I've seen it in many other places like Youtube, Twitter...and the news media. LINK: Donald Trump: 'The Great Divider' Kinda hard to have it backwards when I'm getting the phrase directly from Trump haters.
     
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    I never said they don't exist. I said backwards "with me and I'm sure many others."
     
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    Nobody starts them. Trump is the only one who uses them.
     
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    I asked myself that a lot..." Why is Trump …?""
     
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    With his blue state vs red state rhetoric for one. Cops vs blacks for another.

    Contrary to Trump's claims, Biden and Harris support the police completely. Thinking the author of an infamous crime bill and an ex-prosecutor are anti-police is an absurd idea on its face; "I just got this law degree and I hate the police. What should I do? Should I get a job helping them put people in jail?" Seriously. Biden and Harris also support the black community. They also condemn the rioting. Biden has welcomed all parties to the table should he win the WH. Police departments, police unions, the black community. He's also welcomed Republicans into the fold, for which he's taken some heat from Democrats. That's unity.

    (The bold is a big disqualifier for Trump. Saying he's been the best president for blacks is echoed by his supporters, but blacks don't see it. Neither do I.)
     
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    Blue vs Red vs Blue has been around for as long as the two parties have existed. Can't blame that on him when its been around longer than any one alive today has been alive.

    Trump also didn't start the cops vs blacks. BLM started under Obama when Trayvon was killed and Obama supported BLM over the cops.

    Awfully hard to believe that they support cops when Biden's campaign and Harris has supported bailing out rioters. Rioters that support completely getting rid of the police. Its also hard to believe when Biden's stance on police departments is to "reallocate" (another word could be "defund") money from PD's to other programs. The only reason that they got a law degree is because that is the most common way to become a politician. Hell, Biden hasn't been a prosecutor or defense attorney in decades.

    How can they condemn the rioting when they're supporting bailing out the rioters that do the rioting? If they have made any public condemnations its spoiled by that and makes their condemnations sound insincere at best. Actions speak louder than words.

    Yeah, he hasn't invited BLM to the table. And why should he? Their entire rhetoric is based on falsities and statistics taking completely out of any sort of real world context. Other than BLM he has invited everyone to the table. Blacks, Hispanics, Dems...he's invited them all. Many said they wouldn't go.
     
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    To me personally, it has to do with his rhetoric. There is always a scapegoat to spread fear and anger about. And there is no room for dissent.

    When he announced he was running, his first speech was about how illegal immigrants were bringing drugs, crime, were rapists, and some he assumed were good people. Later during his campaign, he spread to fear about Muslims, stating that Syrian refugees could be a Trojan Horse, and later backing a ban on all Muslim travel to the US. When he won the election but lost the popular vote, it was only because there were so many millions of illegal immigrants voting in California.

    Throughout his presidency there have been so many scapegoats. Do nothing democrats, never Trumpers, activist judges, fake news, intelligence agencies, protesters, Mueller, the "deep state", socialists, Iran / China, the WHO. He sows distrust in everything that might undermine his authority. The courts, the news, his own intelligence agencies, his former officials, even the vote itself must be fraudulent.

    His fight with the Freedom Caucus early in his presidency was particularly disturbing. He sent a message that you are not allowed to be a representative of your district. You are either a Trump foot soldier, or you are not. This message has been repeated many times since. He has in effect turned the Republican party from a conservative coalition, into a party of personal loyalty. When those who dare to disobey must be weeded out, that is where you get a group without dissent. When everyone outside the group cannot be trusted, that is where you get the great divide.
     
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    Because trump is POTUS. Simple.
     
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    That's a nice conglomeration of irrelevance and non sequitur. Show me where a POTUS split us up into blue states and red states after a national emergency. Did GW say NYC was on its own because its filled with Democrats? Of course not. No POTUS ever has. Save your time. Have the last word but this is just too convoluted for me to address seriously.
     
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    Thats just how collectivisists view individualists. We're all 'dividers' because we won't join(submit) to their 'grand committee on all things.' Trump is the 'great divider' cuz we elected him to stand in their way.

    Which he is doing quite well. Which is why he is so hated.
     
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    "Standing in the way" is inherently divisive.
     
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    No doubt. That was kinda my point. Trump is a giant wall between individualist America and collectivist America. The hope is that we can take the govt away from the collectivists before Trump is no longer standing in the way.
     
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    So everything is always his fault? How is he forcing rioters to riot?
     
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    My hope is that we can get back to arguing policy and coming to compromised, bi-partisan agreements. You know, govern. That thing we pay them for.

    That will never happen with a POTUS who calls the SOTH "Crazy Nancy." No other member of this administration, no member of Congress, past or present, and most assuredly no POTUS has ever addressed the SOTH as anything other than Speaker. Trump's practices are the epitome of division, and unity requires his removal.
     
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    It's not his fault. It's his responsibility. When things go wrong at a company, it's the CEO who gets fired, not the workers.
     

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