Why isnt it fine for Trump and Putin to meet?

OK, for all the people who think Trump and Putin talking is the end of the world, explain why the world did not end when the following happened:

 

So your question is why is it ok for intelligent human beings who know how to handle Putin, to meet with him. But not for an ignorant baboon who has been easily played ... not only by a cunning trained KGB agent with decades of experience dealing with world leaders, but even by a tiny two-bit dictator whose only experience in diplomacy was with the Chinese?

Hmmm.... I wonder why....

 

Funny how the collectivist talk up Putin like he's some kind of political genius. He owns Trump for some reason he rules the story behind the scenes.

 

Few men in America can equal Trump's record in the business world and no one can match his achievement in the political world. Calling such a man names only demonstrates a lack of the historical facts or plain old blind hatred for the man.

 

If you read my post you will notice that, even though I acknowledge that Putin is too much for Trump, I do indicate that everybody else in the photos (other than Trump) as superior to him.

 

It is fine. The left is just all over this because they have nothing else.

 

If that were true, it would prove that you cannot run a government like you run a business.

However, that question is yet TBD, given that Trump is not considered a particularly good negotiator by anybody other than himself. He maintained his fortune by stiffing others, and using bankruptcy to his advantage. But that''s it.... Except it wouldn't surprise me if in this investigation "other" methods to obtain his fortune might be exposed.

 

Every day they spin out the next iteration of "muhrussia" is a day they lose more votes in the center. Every day MSM hyperbolizes more apocalyptic manure is a day more and more people are permanently inoculated from trusting U.S. media. Every day they cover the Trump Administration 95% negatively is a day even dumb voters can tell the difference between that and the 8 year blowjob they gave Obama. U.S. voters don't like policy they disagree with, don't like certain personalities, millions don't like Donald Trump and have perfectly reasonable opinions against him or this or that policy.

But what they like least of all is being lied to and conned, and they -will- vote on that alone as 2016 proves.

I don't think the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex's chief concern is votes though at this point, but keeping its leaders out of jail and avoiding the dismantling of many of their entrenched power structures.

 

His record in the business world? Is that the record for most bankruptcies? You do understand that Trump would be a richer man had he just invested his money in a low-risk investment plan, right?

 

Name calling reveals much more than that, but you've picked a nice way to put it.

 

GM and Chrysler filed for Bankruptcy, and New York City came a gnats eyelash from it.

Are you suggesting bankruptcy is proof everyone involved is inept?

 

This is true. They don't like being lied to. And the fact that, at last count, the average number of lies and misleading statements by Trump was at 6 per day since his inauguration just goes to show that, since the "My inauguration was the most attended in history" and "I won with the biggest landslide in history"... he has made it a purpose of his to test if that statement still holds.

Oops! You forgot to include the Andromedans in your Conspiracy Theory. They are great contributors, but tend to get a bit touchy when they are left out. They provide the mental control that forces Trump to say "would" every time he tries to say "wouldn't". So don't forget them!

 

TDS really causes one to reach doesn't it?

 

But not one of those meetings was held in secret for almost 2 hours.

If you can't understand the gravity of that, then there isn't much to discuss -- and that is IS NOT.

 

Because none of the other Presidents is an irresponsible, corrupt idiot with the mind of a twelve year old. deep in debt to Russians. Nor were any of them deep in debt to Russians.

I thought that should be obvious to anyone by now.

The man is a fool, and he can't be trusted in any way.

 

A meme is not a political belief....

It's fine for someone to meet with Putin when they don't have a huge amount of ties to Russia.

 

Reasonable people also don't like the standard exaggerations and harmless misstatements of one politician, but not others who do the exact same thing day in and day out, mischaracterized as "lies" over and over by media that lies through its teeth, for real, far more than any one or group of politicians does or ever could. Trump-related media and opposition hyperbole has gained him more and more votes and supporters, while the actual, mostly trivial hyperbole Trump admittedly engages in has cost him little. One would think you all would have learned -something- from all the bloodbath affecting Democrats over the last ten years, the 2016 anomaly in particular, but you haven't.

I do recall a President who was constantly harangued over controversial statements, misstatements and gaffes, near daily had his mental stability questioned, treated hyperbolically by the media generally... during his first term...

https://www.270towin.com/1984_Election/interactive_map

You and yours better hope something -real- crops up between now and 2020, the constant, transparent exaggerations and outright fabrications aren't working, are in fact counterproductive. "Muhrussia" is not resonating with anyone, as recent surveys prove, while illegal immigration is a pervasive concern among reasonable, centrist Americans. Russians, you see, aren't in our streets murdering and raping U.S. citizens.

That there is an alliance of entrenched government bureaucrats, the educational bureaucracy, public unions and their massive PR departments (poorly, but numerously represented on this very forum), government contractors of all types, government grantees, trial lawyers and mainstream media, as against private sector taxpayers who are milked to pay for the whole thing, is far from a conspiracy in status quo American public life, but a simple fact in plain view of all. There is of course overlap and blending of the groups, and some exceptions such as police and military employees, but by and large, those are the two "sides" in U.S. politics. It's not controversial or conspiratorial in the least, go on about Andromedans all you like.

 

I haven’t been keeping up with the liberal conspiracy theories. What ties are you speaking of?

 

And I don’t buy GM or Chrysler vehicles.

Trump has multiple bankruptcies.

 

It's not that it's "not fine". If Trump was willing to meet with Putin while not undermining US Intel, that would be different. It's obvious that he can't stand up to Putin though. He attacks our allies everywhere, but won't say a single bad thing about Putin.

 

Do you have a problem with all the people who filed for bankruptcy when their house churning and refi's backfired?

 

Did they do so multiple times? Then yes.

 

At least the feds haven't come in and seized a bunch of his stuff.
#RRReessiiisssttt

 

He seems to genuinely believe that Russia did not hack the DNC. His would/wouldn't press event was an obvious fake for PR, anyone could see he meant what he said in Helsinki.

That leaves us two possibilities:

1. If he's innocent

... He knows the collusion talk is all BS drummed up for political advantage. He might think that the whole Russian interference probe is BS too.

Remember that while we go on the basis of what the intelligence community says happened, Trump has access to all the information those agencies are using. Maybe he doesn't believe their case is as strong as they're letting on in public.

Maybe he thinks the Russians would have spoofed their IP better and that it's a stitch up. Again, he has more information than we do.

2. If he's guilty

...Then he knows that he's guilty, he knows that he in fact did collude with Putin, he knows there is currently a special investigation into his collusion, he knows that midterms are 3 months away, he knows that if he wins midterms he'll likely get the decide the Supreme Court for 40 years, he knows that Trump-Russia is a huge drag on him and Republicans running in November, he knows that if he does a press conference with Putin where he says Russia did nothing wrong that it'll create a media cyclone, and he knows that at some point the impeachment process is going to have to rely on public opinion.

It seems like a pointlessly risky thing to do. Maybe Trump doesn't have the brains to avoid such a move, but even his harshest critic would have to say that Putin does.

Co-conspirators don't generally announce their conspiracy to the world openly. They play it down.

Then again, they could be playing some Hitler level big lie ****. It's possible.

There's merit to both explanations.

 

1. Trump has never filed Chapter 7 liquidation bankruptcy, which is what most laymen consider "going bankrupt."
2. Chapter 11 Restructuring is a very common financial tool in the real estate industry especially, and it would be very difficult to find anyone at Trump's level who has not used it several times. Of ~500 or more Trump Companies, ~6 have used Chapter 11 restructuring... so ~1-2% of Trump's Company's have "gone bankrupt."
3. Because both these are included within the Bankruptcy Code, LW liars have attempted to conflate the two very different types of "bankruptcy" to influence their ignorant blocs. Any seasoned professional knows the difference, and regardless of their political affiliation, going on about "Trump's bankruptcies" brands one as a rube among knowledgeable professionals.

This is just another of so many examples of hyperbolic, if not out and out fabricated "Trump Scandals." I personally know dozens of people who thought Trump was a joke (I was one of them, wanted Rand Paul or Carly Fiorina), but then warmed to him once they saw the truth behind the "Trump bankruptcies," "Trump tax returns," "making fun of handicapped," "Mexicans are rapists," "insulting a gold star family," "sexual predator/p-grab" lies, and so many other bogus narratives on Trump. Funny thing is that all these "wolf crying" bogus things caused voters to completely discount any REAL Trump scandals or flaws.

I can't think of any better way to engender strong support for an underdog candidate than telling obvious lies about their statements and actions while there are easily accessible records showing the truth. Americans love to get behind a vindicated underdog who is being lied about. As much as anything, the LW media and Democrat "politics as usual" hyperbole and lies elected Donald Trump. They did not learn that in a consumer-created multimedia world with many different documentations of how events actually occur, you can't just lie in print or on one or two shows and not get found out.

Yesterday, I saw a clip of an MSNBC commentator comparing Trump's Russia meeting and press conferences to 9/11 and the Cuban Missile Crisis among other hilarious (but also extremely disrespectful of real victims of real tragedies) comparisons. Reasonable people see this kind of thing and think "whatever I am, I'm not with -those- nuts."

As the Trump Administration has progressed, the Complex is demonstrating every day that they -still- haven't learned. If Trump runs again in 2020, outside some black swan, a REAL Iran Contra type deal, or a severe recession, if the MSM doesn't near instantly change its tune,Trump will win no matter who the Democrats run.

The Complex/Democrats are setting themselves up well and good for an epic landslide. If I didn't know better, would almost think it on purpose.