Why kill the innocent?

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  1. chris155au

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    That wasn't what I was asking.
     
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    Australia. Why?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    "Health care" has NOTHING to do with bodily autonomy....


    No, I never said that....when you make stuff up it means you are losing the argument and have no case. :)

    But I knew that long ago ...

    Hilarious how you think you can tell people what they think ...especially when you're always wrong :)
     
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    Seems you should be more concerned about the abortions going on in your own country.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    The PROCEDURES and OUTCOMES of the abortions are the SAME.

    Whether it's a fetus due to rape or a fetus due to consensual sex they both die.




    The PROCEDURES and OUTCOMES of the abortions are the SAME.

    Whether it's a fetus due to rape or a fetus due to consensual sex they both die.


    That is why when Anti-Choicers say they'd make an exception in the case of rape they blow their cover, they don't really think a fetus is "precious life"....they just want to punish women who have consensual sex..
     
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    LOL! This thread has gone berserk.....all the silly side issues that have nothing to do with the fact that a fetus is not "innocent " and has no rights...and NO one has ever proven it does..

    And still NO Anti-Choicer can say WHAT rights they want a fetus to have...
     
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    Do you think it is right?
     
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    The fulcrum upon which abortion debates rest is upon how late a woman can demand an abortion.

    What pro abortion people usually say is that abortion should be prohibited at the point where the fetus is viable outside the womb. Ok.

    I wonder if this sets a precedent that if any human being is not viable on his or her own then his or her life is only as valuable as their family views it to be.

    Because a fetus is as treasured or viewed as trash depending upon the value that a woman places on it, right?
     
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    There are no "pro-abortion" people. There ARE people who believe women have rights just like everyone else...they are Pro-CHOICE.



    Well, right now family CAN decide to pull the plug or not unless the patient has left directives.





    I doubt many women view the fetus as "trash"....but, yes, it's part of HER body and she decides.

    A fetus is not BORN, it has no rights.


    What rights do YOU want a fetus to have?

    C'mon, be the first Anti-Choicer to answer that INCONVENIENT question :)
     
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    Sorry, so abortion is NOT healthcare?
     
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    When pro-choicers say they'd make an exception for late term abortion, they blow their cover - they don't really think that a woman has the right to their body to the point of having the right to an abortion.

    Why the hell would anyone care about a woman having consensual sex?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    "Health care" has NOTHING to do with bodily autonomy....

    No, I never said that....when you make stuff up it means you are losing the argument and have no case. :)

    But I knew that long ago ...

    Hilarious how you think you can tell people what they think ...especially when you're always wrong :)


    So you agree the right of bodily autonomy has nothing to do with health care?
     
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    "More people should view Abortion as Murder" was the statement.

    Your mission - should you choose to accept it - is to figure out why the above statement implies that a single human cell should be valued the same as a living human.
     
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    A. Some Pro-Choicers do believe women should have the right to an abortion up to the last minute.....give an example of a woman who was mentally stable who did that ...and the doctors agreed.

    B. YES, if giving birth to a live fetus may kill the woman

    Mentally unstable, sexually repressed people who say,"" Well, she should have kept her legs together and she wouldn't need an abortion therefore abortion should be banned".
     
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    I would say that the fulcrum upon which abortion debate rests is this simple question: is it a life? We believe it is, they believe it's not.

    If it's about a woman having the right to their body, then what they should say is that abortion should be prohibited at NO point. Logically consistent pro-abortion people DO say this.
     
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    How is a woman's mental state supposed to be assessed at the last minute? So much for her right to her body! :roflol:

    Of course.
     
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    No if you ask the very pro abortion people if a women should be allowed to abort say a couple weeks before the due date, they will answer no woman would do that. Then I ask that there will always be someone that selfish (barring direct health threats of course) so what about them. Then they say there are no such women and then they go silent.
     
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    Easy, if a pregnant woman comes to the doctor demanding a 9 month abortion she is given a psychological evaluation because normal, mentally stable women don't do that.

    So she does have the right to have a last minute abortion for medical reasons.



    So you agree the right of bodily autonomy has nothing to do with health care?
     
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    There are no "pro-abortion" people...there are people, Pro-CHOICERS who believe women should have the same rights YOU have.

    Could you give a verifiable example of a normal, mentally stable woman demanding an abortion at 9 months.


    What rights do you want a fetus to have?

    I've asked that several times and the Anti-Choicers go silent....:)
     
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    It is clear that no woman should be forced to carry a baby against her will. Especially in the case of rape.

    But the awful thing has been done or things weren’t thought through or the method of birth control wasn’t effective and it seems humane that if one is going to end a life then one should do it at the point of the least sentience of the baby. Why is making the first trimester the limit so burdensome to women? It is the least physically intrusive time and what other decision much less life changing takes longer than three months?
     
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    It isn't !

    Most abortions are done at 12 to 18 weeks...or before....



    Women have up to 23 weeks to make such an important decision.

    It's THEIR decision so they take as long as THEY feel it necessary.


    Anyone ever put a time limit on YOUR decisions?
     
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    :)...and Anti-Choicers go silent...:)
     
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    So what? Most isn't all.

    If a woman waits till 23 weeks to abort, she is more reprehensible than her rapist.
     
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    But THERE IS a time limit on her decision, isn't there?
     
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    Maybe a more apt analogy should have been a pregnant female with a female fetus, undergoing a medical procedure to have her female fetus circumcised inside the womb.
     

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