Why kill the innocent?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Thrasos, Mar 4, 2020.

  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No.....according to you, that would only be one death. A child in the womb has no value.....remember? Keep things straight lest it prick your conscious!
     
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    I didn't pat myself on the back. I said that I have worked closely with the demographic you are speaking about. It's clear that you have no experience in the matter and just feel you are right to dictate what other people should be doing.

    At the end of today, countless children will...

    go to bed hungry, and/or
    some will be used in the sex trade, and/or
    others will be beaten until they pass out,
    etc.

    We could sit here all day talking about your "theories" about how/why these things happen. Like it or not, they do and until you brace yourself to accept that fact, there is no need for further discussion.
     
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    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    I never said a child in the womb has no value. Do you just enjoy arguing and trying to put words in people's mouths?

    P.S. As an aside, the word is "conscience".
     
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  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Does it make you feel better about yourself when you talk about the "good" you've done while implying I haven't??? I think it does. I have seen that pattern in America a lot lately.
     
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  5. MJ Davies

    MJ Davies Well-Known Member

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    I feel great about myself and did long before I found this forum. Thank you for asking.

    I never implied that you did or didn't do anything. I don't know you.

    Now, you're going on to stereotyping Americans. Wow.
     
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  6. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I appreciate the aside....promise I'll get better. You seem to have the idea "abortion is a personal choice". Well murder is illegal because society feels life has value. Why do you feel children in the womb does not come under the societal umbrella of protection? Am I really putting words in your mouth? Com'on.....stand tall!
     
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  7. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you not say the following.? Here....I am putting your own words in your mouth.
    Right, you don't know me. Do you know anyone that keeps you accountable as I have? Or are you one of those stereotypical Democrats that think "virtue" is an entitlement?
     
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    Obvious troll thread, and probably someone from the exterior of American culture who simply wants to add to the seditious division being attempted in this country.
     
  9. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stand tall....say to whom you are responding!
     
  10. MJ Davies

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    Sounds like it.
     
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    It is. Only the pregnant one decides what to do with their ZEF.



    No, murder is illegal because if it wasn't chaos would ensue.



    There are no "children" in any womb.
    But ZEFs are not born so they are not legal persons with rights.
    Later term fetuses do have some protections, but NO rights.
     
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    Many pregnancies are unwanted and it follows the child is unwanted. Do you support having say, IUDs available to any woman who would choose to have one?
     
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    That applies to Jeremiah as not all are called to be prophets certainly not those who fail to implant in the uterine wall whom God also knew...
     
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  14. yabberefugee

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    Yes I think doctors can do that. If children are as you say "unwanted", it is only due to irresponsible parents.
     
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    You think they can? Can they or can't they?

    How much does it cost? Is it accessible to all women? Does it have any harmful side effects?

    Should women be forced to use one?

    No, it isn't but let's leave that aside for the moment and ask Why do you want irresponsible people to raise children?
     
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    Anti-abortion laws began to be passed in this country in the 1800s.
     
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    :) HI! Missed you!
     
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    To be a parent you must first have a child. One way to prevent an unplanned pregnancy that leads to abortion is to tell them to keep their knees together. How has that worked? The other way is dependable available birth control. Why isn't the antiabortion people pushing that; it would be tax dollars well spent don't you think? I would think Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions than they perform.
     
  19. yabberefugee

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    Yes....you can tell them to keep their knees together, but more importantly you need to tell them why. There is the physical aspect, which should be obvious, but there is the moral aspect as well. That includes responsibility, both emotional and financial. There is much more to be discussed as well. We get into the area of "virtue". This culture we live in has thrown "virtue" out the window. Why? because no one can decide what are proper virtues and we as a culture are to weak to take a stand! It's called, "moral relativity." It is taught at higher levels of education. Today it is whatever floats your boat. Whatever the Stars in Hollywood are doing. Go along with the crowd. All planned Parenthood does is encourage sexual actiivity. They encourage abortion and they don't want parents notified.

    No, it is a lot more than keeping your knees together.
     
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    Welcome back! :)
     
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    You wish for a country where moral relativity is anathema, where "proper" virtues are decided upon and enforced by society......well I've got a place called Saudi Arabia for you.
     
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    OH! It's so bad in this country some people can't even answer those "INCONVENIENT" questions !!!! Oh ! Oh!


    ;)
     
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    "Why kill the innocent?"

    Because the innocent are the easiest to kill.

    The abortionist meets little resistance from the victim of a womb lynching.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Abortion isn't murder, it is a legal medical procedure.





    NO one said they didn't have a right to express their erroneous views.

    They can scream and holler about abortion being murder but that doesn't make it murder.




    Uh, did you have a point ?....or anything relating to the post of mine you quoted ???
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes Saudi Arabia does have "absolute values" and moral relativity is something only it's leaders embrace.

    What I am talking about is a different system. Saudi Arabia is based entirely on a "legal system". You break the law, you pay dearly. In case you haven't noticed, history shows, laws are made to be circumvented. That is why we created "Lawyers". What I am talking about is a change of the heart and living in an understanding way. A culture can do that. We can hold our children and each other accountable because that is the desire. It is the basic Christian precept. That may sound vile to your ears.....but you might apparently embrace the current culture. There is right and wrong. Voluntarily we have to hold to what is "right". The current culture just refuses to acknowledge it.

    This is the price of freedom.
     
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