Why More White Men Are Dying From Gun Suicides

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  1. Rucker61

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    So you take them away from the children who are irresponsible, not all of the children. Bad drivers lose their licenses, not all drivers. If someone shows that they can't follow the laws regarding firearms, then we have legal ways to restrict or remove their rights. Otherwise, you're using group punishment.

    We have 80 million guns owners who will never be irresponsible with guns.
     
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    Factually incorrect. The difference between the nation of Japan, and the united states, is that the nation of Japan does not have a culture where violence is accepted or tolerated. The united states by comparison, however, has a culture built by violence from the ground up. Violence is celebrated, murder is celebrated and bragged about, rape is considered an acceptable course of action and is readily admitted to in various songs. The two nations are not in any way comparable to one another.
     
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    There are suicides in American Prisons, since there are ZERO GUNS in Prison, how does that happen ?
    There are many Rapes in Prison, since there are no Women in Men's Prisons, how do you suppose that happens ?
    Why don't laws help to reduce or prevent Prison Rapes ???
    Explain how laws will help prevent or reduce suicides in or out of prison.
     
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    Are you talking post WWII recovery? Do the words "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" mean anything to you?
     
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    (C)Rap music © is about the only music glorifying Rape & Murder, and with the exception of some untalented preteen White boys, It is mostly Black Rappers producing a steady unending river of poo music.

    The culture of Violence is not American per say as you see by the history of Countries like Malawi, that has been racked by Violence for centuries.

    Japan has other forms of violence, just not by guns, swords and other weapons and methods of torture and murder and coercion of victims to suicide when in reality, it is murder, threatening to harm family and reputation if the victim does not suicide.

    Japan has has cultural evil of systematic sexual abuse and child molestation and sexual abuse of minors that is unheard of in the rest of the civilized World.

    These are the underlying and ignored reasons for suicide of young people ages 10 - 19....
    Japan does not need Guns, they do badly enough.
     
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    Actually, that's not true, or honest, but you know that already, don't you?

    Already told you why it's wrong, but you ignored that just to push the same insulting rhetoric? That is called "dishonesty", just so you know...
     
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    Why is a wee dog so Anti Gun ?
    Not enough fiber in its diet ?
     
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    Patently false bovine excrement!
     
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    You are grasping the wrong end of the stick. The definition needs to be amended since it is not serving the Welfare of We the People given the increasing number and severity of massacres.
     
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    Before you were defaming the founding fathers. Now you are denigrating the rule of law and We the People. :eek:

    SMH!
     
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    You are entitled to your fallacious opinion and your right to project said fallacies onto others but that does not mean that your fallacies and projections won't be called out.
     
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    Today those obese descendants drive across the same plans complaining that the cup holders in their Japanese made SUV are too small to hold their 64 oz big gulps.
     
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    We have about quarter of a million guns stolen from those 80 million gun owners each and every year. In a decade that is over 2 million guns which would make about 1 in 40 of those gun owners irresponsible.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/criminals-steal-guns-from-legal-gun-owners-2017-11?IR=T
     
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    You watch too much Hollywood. The majority of gun owners don't hold the gun sideways. Your own posts complain about all the gun suicides, seems to show American's know how to handle guns and shoot themselves fairly well.
     
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    There is no evidence that attempts at restricting the legal use of firearms by the united states public, has any relation to serving or otherwise benefiting the welfare of the public. Try again.
     
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    The number of states declaring themselves to be sanctuary states where federal immigration law does not apply, as well as the number of states decriminalizing marijuana despite it still being illegal at the federal level, are strong indicators that there is no rule of law to be had in the united states. Therefore the statement presented on the part of myself is one of fact.
     
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    Then the claim being made by yourself is that if one is a victim of crime, they are irresponsible individuals? Does this apply to women who have been subjected to sexual assault? Or is this notion reserved exclusively for firearm owners?

    Do note, the report indicates that the firearms are indeed reported as being stolen by the legal owners once their disappearance has been discovered. Otherwise there would be no figures for showing how many firearms are stolen in a given year. This means they are indeed acting in a responsible manner.
     
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    What definition needs to be amended?
     
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    Re:
    Gun ban proponents repeatedly howl some variation of "IT'S A BLOODBATH!" in order to misrepresent the scope of America's problem with violent and / or mentally ill people.
    In spite of there being more firearms in America than ever before in our nations history, America's homicide rate remains at historic lows.
    It has only risen slightly since its historic low in 2015 due to an increase of gang violence in large cities most of which already have draconian gun laws.

    In spite of the sensationalized school shootings that occurred because authorities did not do their jobs and the fact that killers do not obey laws, schoolchildren are still safer in school than when they come & go to school.(1)

    America's gun violence is still unacceptable and will remain unacceptable until we address the disease which is violent people rather than the many tools they use.



    "FBI: Violent crime rises in 2016, but remains near historic low"

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-violent-crime-rises-in-2016-but-remains-near-historic-low/

    EXCERPT "Violent crime in America rose for the second straight year 2016, driven by a spike in killings in some major cities, but remained near historically low levels, according to FBI data released Monday."CONTINUED




    (1) "There Is No ‘Epidemic of Mass School Shootings’"
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/there-is-no-epidemic-of-mass-school-shootings.html

    EXCERPT "American children do not “risk their lives” when they show up to school each morning — or at least, not nearly as much as they do whenever they ride in a car, swim in a pool, or put food in their mouths (an American’s lifetime odds of dying in a mass shooting committed in any location is 1 in 11,125; of dying in a car accident is 1 and 491; of drowning is 1 in 1,133; and of choking on food is 1 in 3,461). Criminal victimization in American schools has collapsed in tandem with the overall crime rate, leaving U.S. classrooms safer today than at any time in recent memory.

    But they’ve (D. Hogg etc) also (inadvertently) triggered a moral panic about the safety of America’s schools that has little basis in empirical reality —"CONTINUED
     
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    Yes, you Excel at that, did you major in Escatología at University ?
     
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    Kneejerk denialism does not contribute to the discussion.
     
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    You are entitled to your utterly fallacious OPINION but not your own denigrating factoids that are not based on reality.
     
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    So now gun owners are VICTIMS? :eek:

    Wasn't the whole point of owning a gun to prevent becoming a crime victim?

    This kind of disingenuous duplicity when it comes to holding gun owners accountable and RESPONSIBLE for their dangerous and LETHAL firearms says volumes about why the NRA no longer has any credibility.
     
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    Dangerous and unusual because it precludes POTENTIALLY dangerous and unusual.
     
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