Why reincarnation was edited out of Christianity?

On Saturday I began a Facebook group entitled Barbro Karlen and Anne Frank after one of the most famous cases of a child remembering a past life.

Yesterday I got the most logical explanation I have ever read as to why reincarnation may have been edited out of the Christian scriptures:

http://www.thomastwin.com/

 

Matthew 17:10 - 13


"And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist."

 

What do you think gets reincarnated? Your immortal soul? your mind (whatever that is) along with all it's contents RE: experiences, memories etc. Your consciousness? Would they/it be instantly reincarnated (?) or go into some sort of staging facility while waiting for a new vessel. Since few of us can recall past lives, is that old soul sort of 'degaussed', wiped clean to provide a fresh start? When mankind first appeared on the scene, via evolution or creation, there were very few of us. Now there's over 7 billion wandering about, leaving us to speculate on where all the new souls come from. Some Universal Soul Manufacturing Facility out there in the cosmos somewhere? Have the new models been upgraded like Fords and Chevys? Will the older models ever wear out? If the 1st law of thermodynamics is correct, then it may open the door to reincarnation and/or something surviving the death of the mortal body.

 

Many Christians and Jews believed in reincarnation up thru the 5th century AD.. and they were terrified that Nero would come back and cross the Euphrates river with an army of Pathians.

 

Excellent questions!

If…… each human life is as separate from each other as the Sabbath is from the sixth or first day of the week………. then one lifetime can be "set apart", "holy", whereas another day can be a mere work day?!

Since each Sabbath was to be celebrated from sunset to sunset I assume that as soon as we pass on from one lifetime…. technically we are beginning to go to work on the next one?!

So death would equal sunset….. dawn would equal the new rebirth into the next lifetime…… and then that next day/ lifetime would again end at sunset/death.

http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=semkiw-anne-frank-barbro-karlen-reincarnation-past-life

I am of the belief that it is actually a rather small portion of our "over soul" that reincarnates.

One near death experiencer, Aurora Ray, stated that there were originally 14 Elohim, seven female, seven male….. and that ultimately each human life can be traced back to one of those 14 Elohim. I have no idea if she is right or not but it sure would explain the ancient tradition that Lucifer/ (Iblis in Islam) was ordered to bow to Adam…… he refused…. and the war was on.

Apparently Lucifer/ Iblis…. a Covering Cherub felt that Adam should bow to him because he had a greater understanding of the big picture….. whereas the incarnated Word/ Logos, Rabbi Yeshua- Jesus felt that ….. those who wished to be greatest… should be servant of all.

 

Fascinating detail for many reasons!

Pathians are identifiable with some branches of the lost tribes of Israel which could identify their leader with Moshiach ben Ephrayim/ Yosef……. or an impostor posing as the modern Cyrus/ Messiah son of Joseph.

They must have identified Nero as a possible reincarnation of Antiochus IV Epiphanes……. and probably felt that certain verses in Daniel implied his being reincarnated?!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiochus_IV_Epiphanes

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+11

 

In a way……… I can understand why the Roman Emperors would fear the reincarnation cycle!

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

After a couple of decades of practice Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. was able to gain a similar state of consciousness to his NDE from 1966 and hear Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus teaching his disciples.

Here is an explanation of how he attained that state of mind:

http://www.thomastwin.com/10 A Background to Silence.html

 

reincarnation is real, so why would they not believe it?

 

I read or heard somewhere some time ago that it was Constantine's mother that wanted reincarnation removed from Christian doctrine. But there is no proof that early Christians ever believed in or taught reincarnation. In Fact, the Old Testament says this: Hebrews 9:27: "It is appointed unto man to die once, and after that comes judgment."

 

NO.. they actually believed Nero would return from the dead.. They had their conspiracy theorists even back then.. Its referenced cryptically in Revelation.

 

Interesting detail ronmatt!

I have also heard that she got Christian historians off on the wrong angle as to where the real Mt. Sinai is. I read some impressive research lately that it actually is in Saudi Arabia?!

 

Now that is certainly an intriguing detail that I had never read previously!

There certainly is evidence though even in the Christian scriptures that survived the first and second century editors that the disciples believed in the pre-existence of the human spirit or soul….which is getting pretty close to belief in some form of reincarnation.

John 9:1
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And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

 

My theory is that the First Century Messianic Jewish community heard a great deal about what goes on after death from people like Lazarus who had been dead for four days.

That verse in Hebrews can easily be nailed down to seem to mean far more than what it really does because Elijah…. died once….. and John the Baptist died once…. and both of them will continue in heaven for eternity……. but that does not rule out God making a copy of the human spirit/ higher dimensional hard drive of Elijah and using it to form part of the personality and identity of John the Baptist… and perhaps even be of use in recording the memories and identity of John the Baptist as well…….. the Birth of John the Baptist would in no way cause Elijah to cease to exist in heaven…………

 

I just saw the link this morning into another fascinating modern case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnXxC-nVsJY

Reincarnation Proof: The James Linegar Case

 

What nincompoop claims that Jesus spent his early life with the Essenes?????????????

 

Reincarnation is different from what Jesus was telling us.

We only come back mentally.
Our physical bodies do not regenerate and we do not look the same.
The genes for that action are mixed up again with the woman's genes who becomes our mother.

What does happen is that our Unconscious mind is regenerated again, and our brain carries it back into the world of the living.

 

If you read the part of the NT where the people were asking if such and such a person was Elijah, or Elias(can't recall the exact person) it seems apparent that people had a belief in reincarnation.

The Gnostics certainly seemed to give it credibility as well.

I think what actually happened is when the roman empire took Christianity, they fashioned it to support the empire, and Christianity was corrupted. And so Christian beliefs today are a corrupted set of beliefs, not only in this area but others. Like the role of Christ in salvation, enlightenment. His actual role has also been corrupted, so that we returned to the ancient idea of animal sacrifice, a blood cult sort of deal, when his death has nothing to do with salvation, except that he stuck by his guns and would not recant what he was teaching. In that sense, he died for us, but not in the way orthodox Christianity believes.

Also, remember that the people that saw Christ after he had been murdered, and rose again, didn't know him at first. WHY? Simple because he was not the same body as had died on the cross, although he did show the wounds to the doubter, which is said to be Thomas.

Ask yourself one simple question. If your wife or husband died, but walked into your room, alive, would you know who it was? Sure. You would only not know right off the bat, if the person who said she was your wife, if she was totally different in looks, in walk, in voice.

So it seems Christ returned not as he once appeared, but in a different looking personage. And that sounds like reincarnation.

 

I must differ with you here, in that Jesus did tell us about resurrection.
And, as you say, the Pharisees all believed in coming back in some way or another.

Plus, Jesus did resurrect after crucifixion to demonstrate that Truth always rises again when the truth is attacked and suppressed.

1 Corinthians 15:42
So also is the resurrection of the dead.
It, (the Unconscious mind), is sown in corruption (of the Conscious mind, not yet evolved to know the Unconscious); it is raised, (in the Unconscious mind) in incorruption, (which has been genetically stored away in one's genes).

 

This sounds to me like an excellent explanation for the differences between the form of reincarnation taught by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus with what is taught in Buddhism and Hinduism.

 

Well said One Mind!

What do you think of this explanation for the reincarnation cycle as given by near death experiencer Christian Andreason?

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

I thought that it was spooky and humbling and a little scary how well this fitted with the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research.

 

I have ran into this idea in more than one source.

Levi Dowling was a writer who claimed to have became so good at controlling the out of the body state that by the time that he was about forty he could view the Akashic Record of the life of Rabbi Jesus - Yeshua. He reports a close connection between Joseph, Mary, Elizabeth, Zachariah and John the Baptist with the Essenes.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/aquarian_gospel_001_007.htm

 

The mention of Judas Didymus Thomas as being the identical twin brother of Rabbi Jesus - Yeshua in some of the Dead Sea Scrolls also indicates a connection with the Essenes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_the_Apostle

 

Well, Chatars had a certain belief in reincarnation and they were a Christian heresy. So some bases for reincarnation existed in the doctrine of some Christian environment [sure out of the mainstream of Christianity].

So my answer would be that there were Christian environments [officially heretic] where reincarnation was accepted as a matter of faith.

 

I have probably read at least fifty or more published books on near death experiences. "The Thomas Book, Near Death and a Quest and Another Gospel by the Twin Brother of Jesus" is my all time favourite NDE account. The book is in another league altogether from The Aquarian Gospel by Levi........ although I do consider that book to be well worth reading!

Click on "Search Inside" and you will get an idea of what I mean.....


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