Why reincarnation was edited out of Christianity?

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From your research do you suspect Christians once believed in reincarnation?

  1. No.... reincarnation is a pagan and false deception.

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  2. Yes.... many Jews of that time period believed in reincarnation.

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  3. No.... we probably cease to exist at death. Yeshua- Jesus knew that.

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  4. The Gnostic scriptures indicate that early Christians believed in it.

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    LOL. Prior to existing is Pre-Existing.

    Definition of preexist
    intransitive verb
    : to exist earlier or before
    transitive verb
    : antedate

    We, all, existed before. Not in physical, but in what ever is described as the mind of God.
    And who knows, maybe we physically existed as well, in another dimension.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or... does our Creator love us so much......
    that more than one version of us is formed..... and in a sense resurrected.....
    into different time lines...... so that all of us have the freedom of choice to
    make different mistakes in different time lines..... and learn different lessons from
    those varying degrees and types of error?????!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...osophical-implications-multiverse-theory.html
    The Philosophical implications of Multiverse Theory?
    I have suspected for about fifteen years that that time is not limited to being one straight line but instead branches.

    Over in another thread I just received a very specific and pretty amazing explanation for this that is in the language spoken by high level theoretical physicists.

    If........ you and I have been thinking seriously about changing our diet, becoming more physically active, well now we have another possible motivator?!

    The new and improved version of you and I may well get to live out life over and over and over again many times over nearly infinite time in the future, for each time that a moment within our lifetime is recreated and time is spun off in a new possible direction based on different choices that we are all free to make?!


    .................
    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a06

    Being resurrected into various time lines.... in some ways is even more relevant to each of us than a part of our over - soul being reincarnated in other time periods. But both are important to understand the big picture of what we are being taught.
     
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    LOL! Now you're back peddling in hopes of saving your butt. Wrong again.
    There is/was no pre existing soul. Knowledge of something does not mean something
    exists. We've been over this. Maybe you really don't want to understand.
     
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    Near death experiencer Mellen Benedict was shown some sort of what he termed an over - soul
    I thought that that was a good way to describe the part of our human spirit.... that existed long before we
    were born as humans.......

    http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

    This is a scary idea... that seems kind of blasphemous... that G-d could really be within each of us but.......

    John 10:34
    "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
    If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
    Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"

    Psalms 82:6
    "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."
     
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    That is only your belief. Can you prove we didn't exist prior? No.
    We are dealing with the unseen/unknown. Any and all options are on the table.
    Are you saying knowledge is nothing?
    Maybe your mind is to narrow. For it won't fit the box you concocted of God or creation.

    No one has ever proven a soul exists.
     
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    This isn't evidence of a former soul. It's what someone wants to believe is a former soul.
    The use of god in these verses means judge. The use doesn't mean they are gods in the same
    sense that God is.
     
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    That is only your belief. Can you prove we didn't exist prior? No.[/quote]
    Correction. It's not my belief. It's what God says. With that knowledge I can certainly attest
    that there is a soul.

    Big difference.

    Irrelevant. Knowledge isn't concrete.
    Apparently my mind isn't narrow. If anyone is concotting a box it's you. The evidence
    from the information we've been discussing clear states that there is no previous soul.
    God has.
     
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    That is only your belief. Can you prove we didn't exist prior? No.[/quote]
    Correction. It's not my belief. It's what God says. With that knowledge I can certainly attest
    that there is a soul.

    Big difference.

    Irrelevant. Knowledge isn't concrete.
    The usual comeback for those who can't accept the facts we've been discussing.
    Apparently my mind isn't narrow. I just don't readily accept something that has no evidence to
    support it. If anyone is concocting a box it's you. The evidence from the information we've been
    discussing clear states that there is no previous soul.
    God has.
     
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    Great, now all you have to do is prove your God exists per the box you've put it into. And God hasn't said anything. Some things were written down to seem as God said something. No one knows the accuracy or if there was even a God who said to write anything.
    But you can'ts so we're back to the narrow mind, if you want to believe only 1 thing.
    I say it is unknown and most things are possible, that is an open mind. Look up the definition sometime.
     
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    Actually..... NDE accounts combined with the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research are
    evidence of something........ There is room for some debate of exactly what this is all
    evidence of...........

    For example... many religious people would conclude that the Helen Wambach Ph. D. research is
    evidence for an astonishingly powerful Devil , Satan and lots of demons.......
    but I am not on that page.....
    and I think that this information can even prove useful in combatting racial hatred.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/race-...head-past-life-regression-under-hypnosis.html
    What is that white guy doin in my head? (Past life regression under hypnosis).
    I read both of Helen Wambach Ph. D.'s books back in the '90's and I am convinced that they have the potential to transform race relations.

    Well over sixty percent of Dr. Wambach's volunteers were women.... but almost exactly fifty percent of past lives viewed/ perceived.....were of men!

    White people see themselves as Black and Japanese and Chinese and Aboriginal in past lives. Roughly ninety percent of past lives viewed would be described as "poor" which is almost certainly not what would happen if people were simply remembering scenes from movies that they viewed as a child or teenager.

    http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html
     
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    Correction. You're the one creating a box. You're the one creating limits.
    Correction. God has said something and it's in His word, the word you don't accept because
    of your narrow mindedness. God wrote what he said and you can't provide an iota of evidence to
    show otherwise.
    Wrong again. You're the one with the can'ts. My mind is open to accept what God has said. You
    on the other hand have closed your mind.
    No, it's known and it's very clear. There are no previously exisiting souls in the context of what
    we are discussing. Oh, did you forget the topic?

    I've looked up the definition of an open mind. You don't have an open mind.
     
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    This is extremely limited in scope and provides very little information.
    This is has nothing to do with a person having experienced reincarnation. Isn't that the topic
    we're discussing? Or are you changing the subject?
     
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    I've got no limits on God, for I don't know any details of God. I have been a fairly devout christian and have studied and taught the christian God. I assume that is the God you refer to also. That is the box.

    My narrow mindedess? LOL. I have an open mind and have come to the conclusion that what is in the bible has no way to show how those words were written. How they have not changed any meaning for over 2000 yrs. How man made doctrines haven't influenced any of the words. What documents the RC church destroyed to hide past history.
    So, I don't accept it, but not because of narrow mindedness, but open mindedness.

    .Yet you reject all other words that God has said. To Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Joseph Smith, and any others. So again, you closed your mind to one box.

    Why? Because you say so? What exactly is a soul?

    In what way?
     
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    This statement is nothing but limits you've put on God.
    Yet another point of your narrow mindedness. The Bible is very clear how those words were
    written. God wrote it. It's very clear to me that you haven't studied the Bible or you would
    know this. Here are few examples.

    Psalm 119; Proverbs 30:5; Isaiah 40:8; 55:11; Jeremiah 23:29; John 17:17; Romans 10:17;
    Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12). The Bible is said to proceed from the mouth of God (Deuteronomy 8:3;
    Matthew 4:4).

    Let's not forget that the Bible isn't a single book. It's a collection of 66 documents written
    by over 40 authors over a period of 1,500 years and does't contain a single contradiction. Man
    can create such a document on his own.
    Correct, man made doctrines haven't changed the Word of God.
    Except for the Jews the writings of other religions contradict what God wrote. As for Smith,
    he's been caught red handed making up a significant part of his religion. What Muhammad wrote
    also contradicts what God wrote. Why would God contradict himself, not that he can. The Hindus
    are another example of the same.
    Never, ever. God speaks for himself.
    This is an admission that you don't know what we're discussing. You're obviously just making
    up things because you're extremely limited on your knowledge of God and his word.
     
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    What did God write?

    - - - Updated - - -

    What did God write?
     
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    Fine. You don't know what narrow minded means. Guess there is no point going further.

    I've never heard God speak, have you?
    If not, you don't know what God itself speaks. Only what you assume others thought it may have spoke.

    No, I don't. And neither do you. Because you could tell me what soul is and then we can be on the same page. But you don't have any more idea than I do.
    You may have something you heard and like the definition, but is that really a soul? Spell it out so we can discuss it.
     
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    The Bible.
     
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    Correction. I understand very well what narrow mindedness is.
    Yes.
    Yes, I know what a soul is. It's our being and personhood.

    How do you not know that? Serious question.
     
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    No, you don't
    No you haven't. If so, how. You hear voices in your head?
    No it's not.
    Because we are carbon based life form. If we have a soul, so does every living thing on the planet, yes?
     
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    Yes.... evidence exists indicating that animals do also have a soul.

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/with-pets.html

    Near-Death Experiences with Deceased Pets and Animals

     
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    Bruce MacDonald Ph. D. added some more comments on this subject a few days ago on another forum......

    Bruce F MacDonald
    - - - Updated - - -

    and his final comments.....

     
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    Well Prune?
     
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    Well what? I answered the soul question. Is there another?
     
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    I was hoping you had some intelligent insight to your answers. I was wrong.
    And I had 2 questions, based on your previous responses.


    Since we are carbon based, do all living creatures have a soul? You never answered.

    Do you hear voices in your head? You said you hear God. You never answered.


    Will you ignore yet again. I say yes.
     
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    You said you have heard God speak. How?
     

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