Why reincarnation was edited out of Christianity?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by DennisTate, Aug 19, 2014.

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From your research do you suspect Christians once believed in reincarnation?

  1. No.... reincarnation is a pagan and false deception.

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  2. Yes.... many Jews of that time period believed in reincarnation.

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  3. No.... we probably cease to exist at death. Yeshua- Jesus knew that.

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  4. The Gnostic scriptures indicate that early Christians believed in it.

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  1. Prunepicker

    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    I see you missed the insight I provided. Pardon me for expecting you to pay attention instead of
    providing your usual knee jerk reaction before reading.

    As for all carbon based creatures having a soul. No, they don't.

    As for voices in my head. No, there are no voices.

    Are you writing this because you hear voices in your head?

    Will you provide and intelligent reply? I say no, it will be more of the same.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Through his Word.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Did you reply to me? I didn't see any insight you provided.

    So humans are special carbon based life forms.

    By his word, you mean bible? Everyone can read the bible, and most everyone gets different meanings of the word.
    And the bible is not in the original language. It's been translated, mistranslated, interpreted from translations, misinterpreted from the translations and mistranslations.

    So it's a stretch to say that is God's word.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Your loss.
    Yes.
    Only if they try to change what they read. It's very clear and easy to understand.
    Yes it is. Where have you been? It's the 21st Century.
    There are some that are, mostly erroneously, but they're easily debunked because we have the
    original language manuscripts. The New World Translation immediately comes to mind.
    Not at all. It's clearly God's Word.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Thanks.
     
  6. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another great update from Bruce MacDonald.

    https://www.facebook.com/BruceFraserMacDonaldPhD/posts/1141164575970557

    Bruce Fraser MacDonald PhD
     
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    Well, reincarnation sounds better than an eternal everlasting pit of fire where we are in the pain of being burned alive, without the ability to die and escape the fires. To be tortured like this forever and ever and ever. And just because my girl friend offered to sleep with me and I accepted, and we never got married. And then I stole a buck once from mom's purse. And yeah, I lied against some folks once. Man, getting burned up forever seems to be overkill for what I did. What kinda god would do that to a person that he created? He seems to be a hateful bastard. Surely, such a god as this is impossible to exist. For he is also supposed to be a god of love. That god is love, or so they say. So, a bit of an incoherence here. Man, some man, must have been wrong when they wrote that down, perhaps mad at someone who screwed his wife while he was at work, and such a man deserves to have his balls boiled in oil for all of eternity, as he sits in heaven, in high style, streets of gold, and luxury. Now that is sensible, and oh so human like in behavior.


    So reincarnation sound more like something a god of love would arrange. To give each soul as many lives as needed to get right with the creator. To get pure and good enough to join the creator outside of time and space. For complete bliss.
     
  8. Johnny Brady

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    Bullshine ! He was too busy working in his dad's carpentry shop to go off to summer camps with the Essenes or anybody else..:)
    The only "reincarnation" Jesus preached was the resurrection of the SOUL, the final stage of human evolution when we transcend from squishy flesh-and-blood bodies into purely spiritual beings..:)

    "So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable...it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.. flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:42-50)

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    I think you're reincarnated but if you're a prick you come back as a dung beetle.
     
  10. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The concepts of reincarnation and resurrection are not necessarily contradictory at all.


    http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/history/resurrection.html
     
  11. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes.... reincarnation plus resurrection......
    is a sure fire formula to attain a deep humility and empathy for
    others who have fallen much further than we have in this lifetime.


     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow!

    Many people are having experiences like the following.

    I am of the belief that they are real and fit perfectly with the years of research that
    Dr. Ian Stevenson did on this phenomena.

     
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    Johnny.... you give good answers on the topics that you get into.....
    so I suspect that you are being guided to confront this.


    What do you think of the description of the future given to former Atheist and near death experiencer
    Howard Storm:
    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04
    Does this fit with the predictions of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the other prophets.....
    or do you think this is contradictory?

    This was an important step in my gaining a handle on all this.
     
  14. Johnny Brady

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    I don't know what Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the other prophets said about the future, but we'll be dead long before then, so it doesn't concern me much because we won't be around to see it..:)
    The only future that interests me is where we go after we die because I want to get out of this squishy flesh-and-blood body and off this spinning ball of mud in this yukky atoms-and-molecules universe..:)
    "So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable...it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.. flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor 15:42-50)
     
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    I agree that I cannot fully inherit the kingdom of G-d until I Corinthians 15 is fulfilled .....
    or at least fulfilled in my own life.... which I suppose is when I die..... but I do think that there is even more to it......

    (I just wrote the following over in another forum and I wonder what you think of this)?
    I was replying to a discussion entitled:
    "Are there Apostles among Pentecostals and are they adding books to Scripture?"
    ......
    Without the Holy Spirit the old Dennis Tate, the old man of sin would take over in my
    heart and mind again.

    In other words..... my own personal anti-Christ within.....
    my own unrepentant Rababbas / Bar Abbas would take over the throne of my
    heart and mind....... to at least a significant degree!

    I do believe that I allow Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to correspond with others through me,
    to some degree....... but I doubt that I get it right more than perhaps 2% - 5% of the time.....
    and the best that I ever do.... in any moment.... at any time.... is still seriously flawed but.....

    THE BOOK OF ACTS IS SCRIPTURES AND.......

    each of us is....... to at least some degree... .writing another chapter in THE larger Book of Acts.....
    which I suppose to some degree corresponds with the Book of Life......

    Pastor Rick Joyner stated in The Vision that each of us
    is acting out something of a movie / book.... for our Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.

    So to a degree.... each of us is adding at least to the Book of Acts......
     
  16. DennisTate

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    Helen Wambach Ph. D. did not find any cases of somebody remembering incarnating as an animal
    or insect in her research on past life regression under hypnosis.
     
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    You seem to be over-complicating things mate, Paul said the same thing-
    "I'm worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)
    For example that discussion you mentioned titled "Are there Apostles among Pentecostals and are they adding books to Scripture" would bore the krap out of me because I don't give a rat's ass about Pentecostals or any other cult, I just go my own way regardless.

    PS- And between you and me, if there are going to be all sorts of crackpot "christian" cultists in heaven, I swear to God I don't want to go, I'm sick of them here on earth so no way would I want to spend eternity with them..:)
     
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    Reincarnation is alien to Christian eschatology period. A person either opens their heart to God by repenting and breaking through their pride/ego, or they don't and continue with the same mind set after they die ... Believe me it's not going to be very pleasant since you can't talk to anyone about anything since the physical world you live in now, has simply ceased to exist. You're in a void... forever.
     
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    This is very strange, and it sounds like she's possessed by another soul, but I don't think that's an accepted belief in Christian theology. I wish I had a saint to ask, but I'm sure he would say it's demon possession ...sort of like necromancy. People go to seances thinking they're talking to a dead person, but it's a demon.
     
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    Pentacostals are elitists so they freak me out too, but don't worry! Fundamentalism is spiritual immaturity, so I'm sure they'll grow up after they die... :roll:
     
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    I honestly think that when you see the four or five higher dimensions of
    space - time that Dr. George Ritchie was shown back in 1943.....
    the whole thing will make much more sense to you.

    It is kind of simple really.....
    Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and the Ancient of Days the Father and the
    Ancient of Days the Mother, (The Holy Spirit) love us all so much.....
    that they are willing to go to drastic measures to arrange to get us into a
    paradise / heaven state of mind!

    - - - Updated - - -

    That is actually a very progressive
    view of a different branch of Christianity from what you
    yourself believe in.......

    I am truly impressed that you realize that it is indeed possible for each of us to
    grow and mature..... even after death.......
     
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    I have concluded that time itself is an invention.....
    comparable to a car, boat, jet or even a buggy for a horse......
    the Hebrew word translated "forever" literally means something like.
    "until the end of conditions last".... The Greek word for forever is similar.....

    Time has been invented in such a way that it can be used to lead us to higher and higher levels....
    but it allows us the freedom to go lower and lower for a time as well.....
    in order to learn....
     
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    Twenty eight years ago and I believed much as you do on this topic.....
    I have changed my mind.......
    the evidence was just too impressive for me.....
    I really don't believe in a Satan that is quite powerful enough to
    fake all of this......
    Of course I could be wrong.....


    http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/research/ian-stevenson.html#a03


    3. Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons

    SOURCE: Dr. Ian Stevenson, Department of Psychiatric Medicine, University of Virginia, School of Medicine, Charlottesville, Virginia 22908


     
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    found it.... this is the one I was looking for.......
     
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    Souls may get more than once chance to transcend the ego. You do not know for sure. So stop with the absolute certainty.

    Christ reincarnated. For no one could recognize him as the christ they knew. He did not look like christ. He convinced most, except Thomas, until he showed Thomas the wound. So, his physical appearance was not the same christ who died. There are also passages where some thought EIias had returned. Reincarnated. I think this idea of reincarnation got scrubbed from the NT, for it is harder to use a religion to control people if reincarnation is real. And any religion assumed by the roman empire was all about control, meshing with the desires of such an empire.

    The teachings of christ, his christianity, is not even remotely similar to what christianity became. And its bloody arse, horrible, murderous history is all of the evidence a critical thinker needs as evidence.
     
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