Why should the US be the worlds police force

I have to correct you there. Albright wasn't even denying it. Acknowledged the figure without a blink. And justified it at the same time.

Madeleine Albright says 500,000 dead Iraqi Children was "worth it" wins Medal of Freedom

 

You must not know. The real Wahhabis are peaceful and value a civil society.

 

Assad was slaughtering civilians long before ISIS showed up. He dropped over 4,000 barrel bombs on them in the first year. Why do you suppose six million Syrians fled the country?

Do you remember how bad things got in Syria between 2005 and 2011? Do you remember that Assad promised and promised reforms?

 

LOLOL.. Good. Ghaddafi is dead, but Assad is still in power.

 

I have no love for both of them.

That being said, Obama should've refrained from interveening in Lybia and Syria.

 

In both instances it was about refugees. That forced Obama's hand.

 

That was an european problem, not a US one.

 

The US hasn't been isolationist in a long, long time... and I don't think we want to be.

Iran is isolated ...

 

There's a difference between being isolationist and being an interventionist. Obama was the later.

Those refugees were going to europe. Europe is rich and have the military means of dealing with the problems that affect them. There's no need for the USA to intervene unless the european are ready to pay the bill and ask for help.

 

I thought Obama was cautious re: intervening in the Arab Spring.. and sometimes all your choices are lousy. Refugee populations are a problem for everybody.. Look at the repercussions of the Jewish refugees flooding Palestine.

 

The refugees were fleeing to europe. They were/are a problem for europe.
His half ass intervention in the arab spring and his unenforced red lines is what created this mess.

 

You must not know anything about the Middle East and North Africa.

 

Oh for **** sake will you ever stop with that ****.
You're not special.

 

The ME was sleepy and apolitical for hundreds of years.. What do you think fired Arab nationalism?

 

European interventionism and post-colonialism. If you really studied the history of the region you'd see that jewish immigration was really just a pretext and not the catalyst.

 

It most certainly was the catalyst. Jews had lived all over the Arab world for 2 thousand years .. long before Islam. The catalyst was European Zionism.

 

In other word you're ok with arab nationalism but not jewish nationalism and you believe that european arbtrarly drawing lines on the ME map and installing puppet regimes had less of an impact than jewish immigration... And you try to give history lessons to others...

 

Astonishingly ignorant and false claims about refugees forcing Obama's hand. A total falsehood. Libya was a stable country. Both politically and economically before Obama's intervention. The US/UK/France intervention actually caused the biggest refugee crisis since the end of WWII. Some people disgraced themselves on this forum by defending Obama's failed policies.

Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy should be tried before the International Court for the humanitarian catasthrophy they caused in Libya. They are directly responsible for the wave of refugees who 'invaded' Europe. Also, how ironic that the first Black president of the USA is directly responsible for the resurrection of slavery in Libya.

 

Actually I hate Arab nationalism.... and ALL nationalism for that matter.. Its always aggressive and racist..

I much prefer patriotism.

 

Libya was never stable.. The tribes hated Ghaddafi since 1970 when he threw out the constitution, closed Wheelus and Tobruk and crashed the Libyan oil business. Why do you think his military and police were all African mercenaries?

 

Patriotism is the stepping stone to nationalism.

I'm allergic to all -ism

 

Look at the "nationalists" of the last century.

 

I agree. All but maybe 5 should be closed.

 

You have no leg to stand on when it comes to Libya. The intervention completely ruined the country and it opened the door for refugees to get into Europe. Obama abysmally failed.


Ten Reasons Libya Under Gaddafi Was a Great Place to Live
Was Gaddafi a dictator? Yes! However, he also had a heart for his country and the world conveniently skips that part every time.

https://www.africanexponent.com/post/ten-reasons-libya-under-gaddafi-was-a-great-place-to-live-2746


Libya under Gaddafi was not entirely hellish as the world has been made to believe. The citizens did not have the luxury of voting but Gaddafi made sure they had a high standard of living to compensate for curtailed freedoms. Was this enough? That is a moot point but the fact remains: Libya was a great place to stay under Gaddafi (provided one did not try to usurp power).

Education and medical treatment were free
Under Gaddafi, education and health care were free for all. A response to this claim by Masareef Edareeya, a Libyan citizen claimed the quality of education and health was appalling but that does nothing to the fact that it was free. No system is perfect but most are imperfect and still expensive. Gaddafi made sure his system was subsidised and even Mercy Corps attested to the fact in its Beyond Gaddafi: Libya’s Governance Context. That is more than the so-called “democratic leaders” can say for their countries.

Newlyweds received U.S $50,000 from the government
Gaddafi’s government had legislation providing for a grant to newlyweds to buy their first apartment so as to help start a family. Claims are that the process was tedious and bureaucratic to the extent that not many people bothered to follow it through but the $50,000 was there if one followed through. Again Mercy Corps confirmed Gaddafi provided housing for newlyweds. Criticising the grant on grounds of tedious processes is a vindictive trial at attacking every good Gaddafi stood for. It is a personal attack rather than an attack on policy.

Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project
The Gaddafi regime embarked on one of modern man’s edifices of development: the Great Man-Made River Project to make water available to the whole country. As is known, Libya is in a desert region and Gaddafi’s plan to ascertain every citizen of access was the Great Man-Made River Project.

Libya had no external debt and had reserves of $150 billion most of which were frozen globally
Libya was a well-endowed state. To put this into perspective, the self-acclaimed champion of democracy and capitalism, the USA has a debt of over $18 trillion. Libya had none. Enough said.

The price of petrol was $0,14 per litre
In 2011, Staveley Head, a UK-based provider of insurance products compiled a list of countries with the lowest petrol prices in the world. China.org.cn reported the listing which put Libya at third position with its low $0,14.

Having a home was considered a human right
Gaddafi’s Green Book categorically stated, “The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, therefore it should not be owned by others.” The Green Book was Gaddafi’s bible of political philosophy and had first been published in 1975. He vowed that he would not secure a house for his own parents until every citizen had one.

Gender equality actually a reality
Women in Libya were free to work and dress as they liked, subject to family constraints. The “dictator” did not impose any particular repressive canon on women and considering the sensitivities of the Arab community to gender roles, this was a big feat. Universal access to primary education was achieved in a relatively short space of time under Gaddafi.

The Human Development Index was better than two-thirds of the countries reported on
The Human Development Report has been published since 1990 and it is in the report that the HDI is found. The last time the report was released with Gaddafi in power, Libya was ranked 53 of 163 countries with comparable data. The HDI of Arab states was 0,641 while Libya’s was 0,760. Libya was therefore better off than most Arab States. The HDI provides a composite measure of health, education and income. Does being placed above the Arab States average mean all was rosy? By no means! It simply means there were worse countries that the Western “whistle-blowers” did not “rescue”. In 2009, Libya was reported to be on track to achieve the Millennium Development Goals by 2015.

People had enough food
This does not need to be qualified. The Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) confirmed that undernourishment was less than 5% with a daily calorie intake of 3144. This was one “oppressor” whose subjects had enough. With the Great Man-Made River Project, Gaddafi was securing an even brighter agricultural future to feed his nation. Pessimists can be claimed he was feeding citizens for the slaughter.

Privatization of all Libyan oil to every citizen
On 21 February 2011, Gaddafi launched a programme to privatize all Libyan oil to every citizen of Libya. This would initially provide $21,000 to every citizen from a total of $32 billion in 2011 and effectively lead to the dissolution of the ministries of health, education and others to eliminate corruption, theft of oil by foreign companies and to decentralise power.

Was Gaddafi a dictator? Yes. Did he violate the human rights of some citizens? Yes. Did he keep his dead victims in coolers as trophies of his macabre exploits? So they say! However, he also had a heart for his country and the world conveniently skips that part every time. How one man could be such a paradoxical figure is a wonder.

 

I assume liberalism included.