Why the AR-15 Was Never Meant to be in Civilians' Hands

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  1. rover77

    rover77 Well-Known Member

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    “I do not believe that there is any place in the civilian world for a family of weapons that were born as an assault rifle,” he writes at the end of his message. You’ll see the reasoning that takes him there.'

    I found this blurb interesting ..because he never does explain his premise AND for this at the end :
    'Only after civilian manufacturers like Colt's made boatloads of money producing M16A1's and selling them to the government did someone (I believe it was Colt's Firearms) decide to make and sell a semi-automatic-only version of the weapon for civilian sale. It was, of course, known as the AR-15.

    Small but significant changes were made to the architecture of the lower receiver, primarily slight relocation of pivot pins and redesign of the trigger/hammer components that pivoted on them, so that it would not be possible to acquire, legally or illegally, M16 trigger/hammer and fire selector components and thus easily convert the AR-15 to possess the same full automatic capability as the M16.'

    So....an admission (in The Atlantic no less ) that by design the AR15 is NOT an assault rifle..

    Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2...-never-meant-to-be-in-civilians-hands/545438/
     
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    Out of the other side of their mouths, the anti-gun side will tell is the 2nd Amendment only covers Militias.
    What sort weapons do militiamen need to properly do their job?
     
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    They never seem to understand that the more military they make the AR-15 the more it is protected by Miller.
     
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    It would seem that the Founding Fathers must have intended for civilians to have the same types of rifles because both the Colonial military & civilians used the same types of rifles/muskets when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.
    Attempts to ban one style of semi--auto rifle will inevitably lead to attempts to ban ALL types of semi automatic rifles/carbines.
     
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    and why aren't they issued by government to all citizens of militia age?...
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is crazy to blame a class of firearms over things crazy humans do using them. Blame the crazy and see if things to solve that can be done. But to blame a gun or even all Americans over a tiny number of crazy people sounds precisely the thinking of Democrats.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The only threat the gun grabbers imagine is the armed citizen, oddly they believe that law enforcement and the military will happily go along with their quest to disarm the private gun owners. Nobody said gun grabbers made sense, but they sure do make a lot of senseless noise...
     
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    Oh, they make sense, when viewed from their poitn of view:
    1: Make it as hard as possible for the law abiding to get a gun
    2: Present and and every fallacious/dishonest argument necessary to achieve this.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They tend to make a lot of noise, but anti-gun candidates don't win elections outside of the most liberal cesspits in America...
     
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    Are there any exact sales figures to be presented, pertaining to the AR-15 rifle originally manufactured by the Armalite company under Eugene Stoner? Were these original rifles semi-automatic by design, before some were modified for selective fire capabilities to be submitted as prototypes for military evaluation?
     
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    The ar-15 was offered to the civilian market the same year the m-16 was adopted by the military. And if you would bother to study, the militia was expected to report with arms provided by themselves, and of a sort in common use at the time. The ar-15 is the most common rifle in civilian hands at this time.
     
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    PURE HOGWASH.

    Mil Spec lowers are populated by AR-15 semi automatic parts.
    The main difference between a semi automatic AR and an M-16 is the absense of the Auto Sear pin.
    All other dimensions are exactly the same.
    A Mil Spec lower can be built up either way.

    Legally registered Pre - 1986 drop in Auto Sears are considered machine guns, and can legally installed in any AR re-populated with M-16 parts and legally result in a legal BATF approved
    M-16 selectfire rifle.
     
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    methinks you missed my point ...but I do agree with the 'in common use' part...I think that would nullify any claims that they aren't ok for us peasants to own
     
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    and the fire control group (trigger, hammer, disconnector, selector, and auto sear) will get you federal prison time if you do not have a Tax Stamp to possess a full auto weapon (made prior to the 1986 Machine gun ban).
     
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    Actually, Peons is the correct word.
     
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    No kid, a Pre 1986 BATFE Registered Drop In Auto Sear is the Machine Gun, it costs $ 13,000 because no more are being made.
    Posession is legal and approved by BATFE.
     
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    meanwhile NRA extremists are unwilling to undergo any sort of state sponsored Militia training or supervision.
     
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    Sure Ron, false, it is simply not offered or available.
     
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    I'd love to see it. I'm too old, and it applies to all males and likely females from 17-45 regardless of gun ownership.
     
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    Thousands of people attend firearms training
     
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    So state sponsored courses in concealed carry aren't supervision now Ron? Got it.
     
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    In which states do such training programs exist, and are available to the public?
     
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    None.
    There is no State sponsored Militia.
     
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    The first civilian Colt AR-15 hit the gun store shelves in 1963. A couple of years before the M-16 was introduced in Vietnam.

    By selling the AR-15 to civilians it keeps the cost of the military M-16's down. Taxpayers like that.

    It's the American sportsmen who keeps America's military gun manufactures in business. Without them America would be up **** creek and would have to rely on Russian and Chinese gun manufactures to arm our soldiers and Marines.

    It's a national security issue.
     
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    I suggest for a military arms lesson, head to Gettysburg PA and spend time in the museum there. Even by that date, there was an extensive variety of rifles to be used by the public.
     

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