Why the Asian Diaspora succeeds in the West

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    As far back as the Gold Rushes etc, and until relatively recently, Asians in the west have been treated as third class citizens. Basically treated as little better than animals. There is no one over the age of 50 who can say this isn't true. Yet they keep winning. Why?

    In a nutshell: When they were blocked by racist laws and social mores in the last two centuries, they found work-arounds. They didn't curl up in a corner, refusing to participate until whitey stopped being mean, they looked for clever alternatives.

    Many saw racism as entirely irrelevant to their goals. Some elderly NE Asians I've interviewed on this have said they actually liked it - because as long as whitey saw them as 'funny little men' who shuffled and did laundry, they could quietly exploit the wealth and systems of the west behind the scenes - amassing wealth and education via hard work.

    Interested in the thoughts/experiences of others.
     
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    No one?

    Perhaps I should have couched the title as a question.
     
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    All the Asians I know are hard working and family oriented. Kids are well mannered, do well in school and in general are no trouble at all.
     
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    Agreed. I don't like to stereotype, but it's a generally positive stereotype.

    My son's high school graduating class was about 20% Asian. Nearly all were in the top 25% academically. Those kids were never in trouble. They came home from school and did six hours of homework every night. In my opinion, they didn't have a well-rounded high school experience. But they were good kids and outperformed almost everyone else.

    Pretty impressive.
     
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    I totally agree. I've never meet consistently harder working people and nor a people who consider family members to be people who OWE their family respect, honor, and hard work FOR the benefit and future of that family. It . . . works.
     
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    It's fascinating to look into why/how the didn't let widespread racism and racist laws prevent them from succeeding. They could easily have just given up, but they didn't. I guess that takes a mercenary approach (ie, it's about practical outcomes, not feelings), but it works.
     
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    they had lots of social networks to bring their finances together.

    they didnt face the kind of discrimination that blacks or Native Americans faced.

    they didn't literally start from zero, like blacks and native americans did.
     
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    it must be said, that 'well rounded high school experience', is your understanding of same, not theirs. to many Asian kids, a well-rounded high school experience is doing well academically and having a couple of like-minded friends. they don't require more of school ... it's not regarded as having any particular value other than academic.
     
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    a) that's not correct. NE Asians are not good at community sharing of wealth. quite 'selfish', in fact.

    b) they faced complete discrimination in western nations in the 19th and much of the 20th centuries. they were treated like dirt.

    c) wrong again. many Indo-Chinese refugees arrived in the west in the 1970s without a cent to their names, and little to no education.
     
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    see my comments above
     
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    And that's ok. There's nothing wrong with that.

    My son probably did half the homework they did, but in high school he played football, soccer, and had a job. He still finished in the top 30% academically at one of the top high schools in Texas.
     
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    Regardless of whether it's a stereotype, it's true, and is very often the reason some do so well. They've very protective of family wealth. I don't judge in saying this, it's neither negative nor positive.

    I'm referring to worldwide diaspora, not America. In many western nations, Asians were treated like animals for a long time.

    And those same refugees (in other countries, not America) had very little assistance outside that available to all citizens, yet they educated and worked their way out of poverty in a single generation.
     
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    Well done to him and his parents :)
     
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    As laborers on the transcontinental railroad, they were treated worse than dogs.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    And in the gold mines. Absolutely appalling treatment.
     
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    and yet they were paid and were able to send money home.

    they were treated MUCH better than blacks slaves.
     
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    Bull crap. As the O.P noted, Asians were treated like garbage until well into the middle 20th Century inside the United States of America. But that did not stop them. Instead of whining and expecting handouts they buckled down and set to work. As for the Vietnamese boat people they just freaking worked their behinds off.
     
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    nonsense.

    Asians enjoyed many of the privileges that Whites did during the 20th century.
     
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    No they were not generally treated much better than slaves. But they survived and prospered because of their structured family units and cultural values systems.
     
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    Hahahahaha! Great! Now pull the other leg, it's got bells on.
     
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    Many different peoples have been enslaved by others over our long history.

    Many of these peoples fought on, not letting prior slavery crush or stop them. This was because they quite often had no choice (it was work or starve), so in a sense they suffered a double whammy. Black Americans were able to choose not to fight on, because America was already an egalitarian and rich nation by the time of emancipation.
     
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    Ah, I now see the ultimate objective of this thread.

    Its claiming that black people are genetically prone to laziness, poor work ethics, inability to help themselves, whining and demanding folks take care of them.

    Just another Alt-Right racist thread.
     
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    Work ethic, and familial piety. Famine and starvation will do that to you.
     
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    Well you ain't seeing too clearly, Ron.

    Re-read what I wrote. Whose fault is it that black Americans are 'failing' today?
     

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