Why the Iranians Hate the US Government

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  1. SEAL Team V

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    Again, you make a statement and I prove you wrong. You stated
    And I posted Wikipedia facts of the Afghan-Soviet war that disprove your post. Just like you stated the giving/sale of small arms is a more terroristic act than the murder, barrel bombing and incinerating of 500,000 Syrians. This back and forth is going nowhere, but the chronological order of our posts lays out the proof. Have a good day.:)
     
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    Rubbish - you proved nothing wrong - your claim - that the Jihadists were given only small arms - is preposterous nonsense on steroids.

    Then you attribute a claim to me that i never said - I did not say giving small arms to Jihadists was more of a terrorist act - What a joke of a Strawman you create.

    You know full well that my argument is that arming a radical Islamist proxy army -includes a heck of a lot more than small arms - hence why I posted a pic of a Howitzer to you.

    It was a global effort to arm these Jihadists - over 5 years - that created, and maintained the war - a war resulting in 500,000 dead.

    Saudi Arabia (and other Gulf Nations), Qatar, Turkey, Jordan, Israel, US, Britain and others in Europe. Croatia, Bulgaria, Serbia and other eastern European nations - They brought the stuff left over from the war in Yugoslavia - and other newer stuff.

    So quit sticking your head in the sandbox of denial - desperately grasping for some small hope that your "We are always the good guys" necessary illusion is not false.

    The History on this has been written - its no longer some secret - and more continues to surface now that the war is over and Obama is out Office - not a pretty picture. We are already under investigation for war crimes/crimes against humanity in Yemen - once again fighting on the same side as Al Qaeda. We will be found guilty of such crimes in Syria.

    You can write these 15 - Bipartisan - in Congress - into your "Bad Book" - the one based on some warped - anti American - spoon fed propaganda narrative influenced diatribe
    Your more than welcome to support our tax dollars going to arm terrorists - long after it was known what these people were doing - and thinking this is your Patriotic duty.

    The 15 above in Congress - do not share your perspective - hence why they drafted and/or cosigned the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act"

    "Under U.S. law it is illegal for any American to provide money or assistance to al-Qaeda, ISIS or other terrorist groups. If an American citizen gave money, weapons or support to al-Qaeda or ISIS, he or she would be thrown in jail. Yet the U.S. government has been violating this law for years, quietly supporting allies and partners of al-Qaeda, ISIL, Jabhat Fateh al Sham and other terrorist groups with money, weapons, and intelligence support, in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government. The CIA has also been funneling weapons and money through Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and others who provide direct and indirect support to groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda. This support has allowed al-Qaeda and their fellow terrorist organizations to establish strongholds throughout Syria, including in Aleppo." https://gabbard.house.gov/news/StopArmingTerrorists

    Don't shoot the messenger man ! - Just because you can't handle the Truth - don't make me want to renounce my citizenship or make me "anti American"

    But hey - Tulsi - She is the Devil - the one who wants to stop these regime change wars - "Stop Arming Terrorists". A person who went to Syria to see the situation first hand -
    - need I post examples of the MSM demonization rant - particularly from the left - and she is a Dem.

    Even if one does not like Tulsi - not every day you see someone running against the Establishment herd.

    Why did we fight against the moderate people of Syria - fighting to keep their freedoms - by leading a massive global effort to arm a radical Islamist proxy army ?

    "Assad's a Bad Guy" - is that it ? - the sum total of your capacity to grasp at non existent straws.

    2 choices - either accept reality - and change your perspective to conform to reality - and the Truth - or run from the playground to stick head deep in the sandbox of denial.
     
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    Oh look ... another anti-American thread. The same people who find fault with the U.S. are the ones who when talking about Babe Ruth say he struck out a lot.

    They can't see the forest for the trees.
     
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    The world is a far, far better place for having the U.S. in it. Our “good-to-bad” ratio on what we’ve brought to the planet is light years ahead of any other nation.

    If you want to focus on the negative and use it as constructive criticism, that’s ok. That would be productive. But if your intention is to spread the message that the U.S. is evil, you’re foolish.
     
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    Not a good argument Look how great we were in the past - what we are doing in the present is bad but is justified by how great were were in the past.

    That is a foolish argument .. That the US has engaged in some evil deeds in very recent history - is recent history.
     
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    Then in this post to the same poster - engage in Projection - projecting your flaws onto others. You are the one who is wrong - and without a clue.

    It is not some secret that we did evil deeds in Latin America - you can watch documentaries on the History Channel - many books have been written on the topic.

    Would you like details ? - or do you want to continue avoiding reality.
     
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    I’m not saying the U.S. hasn’t done some bad things.

    I am saying that no nation on the planet has a better historical ratio than the U.S. of doing good things compared to doing bad things. If there was one country that has been indispensable over the last 200 years, it’s the U.S.
     
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    Even Marx and Lenin pointed to the USA as a model for good government before Woodrow Wilson.

    When it come to governments Bigger is Badder.
     
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    Iranians don't hate America, Iran's theocratic government is just incompatible with Western Culture.
     
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    Only for those who prefer to be run by Corporate Power than Democracy
     
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    He was killing ISIS and other groups that like to kill Shia. Can't remember his name but was listening to someone who works for the UN who knew him. He said in his opinion he treated people far better than the others out there - and he was speaking about talking to people who he had captured - others I guess people like the US. His people were doing the job you were supposed to be doing.
     
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    Soleimani was not a terrorist. Your President assassinating a Member of the Government of another country fits that bill much more.
     
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    So you’re basically stating that because a priest gives fundamentally positive Sunday sermons and performs daily tasks that betters humanity it’s perfectly ok for that priest to molest children. I got it now. Sort of like the drug cartel employing villagers to tend to the poppy flower crops makes it reasonable that the outcome is mass graves and beheadings.
     
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    First off - as stated in the previous post - good things done 200 years ago - does not negate bad things done yesterday. It is not a valid justification. It is a horribly flawed argument.

    When some scientist invents something that is beneficial to humanity - does this mean he should be allowed to go out and kill a bunch of innocent people on this basis - that when goes to court he just argues "well I did more good things than bad".
     
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    Bad things done yesterday? Like killing the biggest terrorist in the Middle East?
     
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    It all started with a few democracy protesters in the Arab Spring then the Sunni fundies from Egypt, Turkey and of course Saudi Arabia saw an opening. Iran countered by sending in the Quds force to support Assad and at the time, Obama aligned with the Sunni side demanding Assad step down.

    Despite not being democratic, Syria was probably one of the better countries in the middle east with good health care and high rates of education. Had Assad been backed from the beginning (without the Iranians having to come in) Syria would still be in a much better place than it is today.

    I'm not praising Assad, not by a long shot, but what ever he was doing pre civil war seemed to be making the best of a bad situation.
     
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    I said and thought nothing of the sort.
    Well this is all your imagination that you got and nothing to do with what I said. It belongs to you and no one else.
     
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    He was not a terrorist. He was a general of a Sovereign State. It would seem that to you ISIS, Al Qaeda and similar are the 'good guys' and those who fight them the terrorists.
     
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    So what was he doing in Iraq? And also, he is said to have flown in from Lebanon?
    And he said he hoped a "radioactive clould" would be over Tel Aviv.
    Iraq - Lebanon - Israel (plus of course, Syria and Yemen) This doesn't sound like a
    "general" nor acting for a "sovereign state." He is acting like an international terrorist.
    And of course, he was second in command to a nation considered to be engaged in
    international terrorism.
     
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    I sort of agree with this though it is also true that the arrest and possible torture of kids for graffite against Aassad and the influx of people who had to leave their region due to climate change added to things. The original protesters had three no's. No to violence, no to sectarianism and No to outside interference. According to an article I read by one of them the problems started when soldiers left Assad and found money going into their bank accounts demanding that rather than just protecting protestors they started fighting. This was the first sign of outside Interference which was soon followed by groups coming in from Iraq generally funded by the Sauds and Qatar and trained I believe by the US and the UK.. France was also involved somewhere.

    The outside interference brought the violence and the sectarianism.

    There was though reasons for protest. It is just that that was exploited by the outside interference.
     
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    accident
     
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