Why the mass vaccination is so dangerous

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  1. cjn3

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    When we mass vaccinate during a pandemic with a leaky vaxx that does not eradicate the virus the vaxx resistant mutations get a competitive advantage.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/01/health/uk-scientists-covid-variant-beat-vaccines-intl/index.html



    Many think viruses mutate to become less dangerous. Now though because of the mass vaccination the variants that diminish the immune pressure get a competitive advantage. Usually these can not spread easily since people isolate when sick. But because there are many more injected now the risk is higher those variants can spread.

    This is what Geert Vanden Bossche says if i understand. It makes sense to me. What do you think?



    He also explain ADE, neutralizing and non neutralizing antibodies. We now have studies that prove he is correct about the natural immune system getting damaged by the vaxx.



    So he says governments must immediately implement large scale antiviral drug campaigns for the so called vaccinated.

    One of his interviews below:

    https://www.voiceforscienceandsolid...-on-what-to-expect-in-the-near-future-and-why
     
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  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    A virus is a virus. It is not some sort of giant massive Uber being that has intelligence and a literal mind of its own. Republicans are so addicted to conspiracies that they find them even in microbes.

    And yes, I am aware of how diseases can APPEAR to have intelligence and to "change" to confound antibiotics but you have to be careful here. Evolution is a process not a drive . It acts on a species from WITHOUT, it is NOT something the individuals in the species do on their own.
     
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    I don't intend to sound mean or judgmental, but have you done any research on this person's position and, if so, what has led you to conclude that the position presented is the correct one?
     
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    Mutations occur all the time. It is just that the resistant variants now have an advantage compared to the others i suppose.

    It´s the same for antiviral drugs to. Some believe it´s less of a problem for vaccines but it depends how we vaccinate i guess.
     
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    The idea is completely sound. It's well known that doctors have been advised to try not to overprescribe antibiotics, for fear it will increase the chances of an antibiotic resistant strain developing.
     
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    I may be able help here. Mutations are random. Some are useful to survival and some are the opposite. Successful mutations continue. So what is useful for a virus which is not even an organism? The only thing it can do is survive to carry RNA or DNA to living creature. So what helps a virus is an increased ability to be reproduced. What does that? An enhanced contagion certainly helps. The easier it is to spread the better the virus will do. Another one is to avoid killing its host creature. Dead bodies don't spread the virus. So the natural course of evolution for a virus is to become more contagious and less hurtful to infected hosts.

    Each successful mutation of COVID has been easier to spread than earlier ones and less harmful. That is the natural course of evolution for a virus like COVID. The virus doesn't choose how to mutate. Its success in survival depends on what DNA changes the mutations cause.
     
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    All the empirical evidence from the last 18 months?

    All highly injected populations have become infected with the virus.
     
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    He's basically wrong about antibodies and severe disease. Severe disease vs mild is more about a T-cell response, but a good antibody response can prevent symptoms. And he's wrong about vaccination selecting for severe variants. The best variant would evade the vaccine, not overwhelm it. What he described is basically the delta variant, which was both infectious and virulent through a 'strategy' of overwhelming via high viral load, though it would have been dominant at the time with or without vaccination. Omicron ultimately won over delta though, via high infectiousness and lower virulence. And this was in the context of higher and higher vaccination rates.

    T cells protect against COVID-19 in absence of antibody response | National Institutes of Health (NIH)

    The damaging the immune system is something I'm highly skeptical of, but haven't had enough time to hear the case yet.

    It's a bit different. Some patients ask for antibiotics, and some doctors prescribe antibiotics, when actually the person has a viral illness. Antibiotics are to kill bacteria, not viruses. This increases the selective-pressure to promote the proliferation of antibiotic resistant strains, but without any actual benefit to the patient other than feeling like their doctor did something for them. So then when a patient who actually needs antibiotics comes along, it's less likely to help them. Usually the antibiotic resistant strains are less virulent because they are expending extra energy, or altering well-tuned structures, to survive against antibiotics. They seem more virulent based upon mortality data, but that's only because doctors have poorer, and sometimes no, options to treat them when they are resistant against the usual antibiotics.

    Unlike antibiotics, the point of vaccination isn't to treat an individual so much as to reduce/stop the spread of the virus in a population. If there's a variant that can bypass the vaccination, it will have a huge selective advantage, but probably be less virulent. The fact that this happens argues for not relying solely on vaccination, and for developing vaccines that target multiple critical areas of the virus at once, as well as continuously developing vaccines and monitoring variants. It doesn't argue against vaccination.
     
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    The clot shots are not vaccines.
     
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    I have not.
     
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    I have had zero clots from the shots.
     
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    Lucky you! Clots from the shots have taken several friends of mine in the last year.

    Have you asked your doctor if you can have a look at your blood under a microscope? Have you taken the D-Dimer test? If you actually took the real shot, you have about a 60% chance of some level of clotting.
     
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    Yale medicine claims there have been no blood clots from the vaccine
     
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    Yale Medicine, the AMA, the CDC, the FDA and pretty much every single hospital in these united states constitute the Medical Industrial Complex. They are owned by Big Pharma. They write and say as they are told to.
     
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    Your lack of a resource tells me you use yourself as a source.
     
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    No, I just read much more than you do, apparently. I pay closer attention than you seem to.

    It's been public knowledge for many years that the Medical Industrial Complex is a dirty bunch. E.G., Pfizer pleaded guilty to medical fraud felonies in 2004 and 2009. Purdue pharmaceutical misled the honest doctors and paid off the gullible doctors to bring OxyContin to market. Pure fraud with many victims but great profits.

    I've read The Real Anthony Fauci. Likely that book scares hell out of you so you naturally avoid it.
     
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    I have no misgivings on human actions yet know that liabilities are not a concern, yet hundreds of millions have had the shots yet have not had the conditions you claim exists.
     
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    As long as you keep your blinders on and your TV tuned to mainstream media, you will believe that until the end.

    When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.
     
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    :worry: ~ " The worst is yet to come ... " :ashamed:

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    Common sense should handle your question. We developed vaccines for the Covid 19 virus. In the meantime the virus mutated many times to become whatever the current strain is called. Yet we continue to use a vaccine designed and made for the original strain. The problem isn't the virus or the vaccine. It is the people pushing an obsolete vaccine on us. I can't imagine what could be more obvious. We should have developed vaccines for the new strains or stopped vaccinating entirely. We did neither.
     
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    Um no the common sense answer is if it still helps on balance, use it. If it would be worthwhile to make a better one, somebody should do it. If not, see the first sentence.
     
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    There is no evidence that it helps on balance. Because something may be worthwhile doesn't insure that someone will do it. So we have differing opinions.
     

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