Why the right has no chance of winning the Culture Wars

There is a thread out there in which some MAGA extremists (and I'm only referring to the extremists) are celebrating their big triumph in the culture wars. How do they know they won? Well because sales of Bud-light went down!

That should beat the GAY out of people!

And, of course, we all know that children become gay by watching Bud Light commercials

The reason why the right will lose the Culture Wars are many. Here are the three I believe are most significant:

1- Any young person understands that it's ridiculous. That this is a group of old folks who have no grounds for believing they are "superior" to other ethnic groups just because they are white. That they have no business deciding what sex the person you choose to marry should be. If you don't relate to this, just think that not long ago, EXACTLY the same was true when old folks decided what "race" they ascribe to the people you marry.

2- MAGA extremism (which today carries the flag) will go away. I mean as an influential group. Their influence in day to day affairs will die out. Not forever, mind you. Extremists has a tendency to return from time to time. But it will be out of the picture enough for folks to breath deep, and look back at how ridiculous it was.

3- Gays, blacks, Hispanics, women... and all the rest of the "groups" that the "Culture Wars" people want to "punish" for being gay, black, Hispanic, women..., will NOT go away. Not even for a second. And they will continue demanding their rights. And they will get them! It has always been that way.

Budweiser, Disney, Chick-Fil-A... Every day there are more commercial firms that understand that those minority groups will make better clients than the casual MAGA biker who has a Confederate flag tattooed on one arm and a Swastika on the other. Whom they might lose but... good riddance.

MAGA extremists get over it! You WILL lose the culture wars. And on the backs of your defeat many progressive folks will be in public office. Until people start forgetting, and the extremists will return. But every time weaker than the last.

Here is the question that should settle the whole matter: Which of the two do you think has a better chance that they will still exist 100 years from now? MAGA extremists, or gays?

 

Don't quit your day job as a geneticist

 

Define "Culture Wars". They are all over the place.

 

Culture wars are generational. They aren't won by changing the minds that are already made up. They are won by changing the minds of kids who replace people who die off.

 

Culture Wars: everything DeSantis is fighting against.

They ARE all over the place because they think they have this enemy called "wokeness" that they can't define. So I guess the above is the best we can do.

 

Which is why the right is focusing on schools right now

 

and every step they take alienates a few more voters in the group they attack...a hundred thousand here a hundred thousand there...,it will begin to add up.

 

Yes, and media in general like TV shows, books, ect.

They are so late to the game though, it will take another generation or two before they would have enough influence over those things to actually make a dent.

 

I think so, because they weaponized the strong arm of the government to fight it (creating a tsumani of laws to push their agenda), while the other side is just citizen volunteers. That being the case, the RW populists are coming across very authoritarian, while the other side resembles a bunch of hippies from the 60s carrying signs, and no one worries about that. The phrase "be woke" sounds like something right out of John Lennon's mouth. So, yea, the populists overplayed their hand, and that always back-fires.

 

generally real information will win out, and the tiresome social media claptrap will die down

 

Quite true. The left made the long march through the sixties and it will take the right the same.

 

Exactly! And that's why I put that as point 1. Following your criteria (in which I agree, BTW), MAGA extremists appear to ALREADY have lost the culture wars. The more intellectual High School kids (the ones most likely to take over leadership roles in their generation) don't like it when some white obsolete old fart tells them what they can or can't read.

 

yea, they've lost it for any of our lifetimes.

The left has been effectively unopposed for 60 years. Even with the right finally figuring out the game, them jumping in now isn't going to have the same impact that 60 years of the left being unopposed had, so i doubt we are going to be having a hard turn right culturally anytime in the next century.

 

Hmm.. how can one say this? It appears that democrats don't like it when you boycott their pet programs. It's as if they simply expect that because they brought them to market, everyone must adopt them... it's insane of course, but, well they are democrats.

So, when the super ridiculous is recognized, progressive folks simply demand that we shut up and buy bud light. Typical... The amazing and ironic thing here is as they have attempted to require folks to adopt their silly, they are equally offended when folks aren't interested.

So, let Inbev AB look stupid catering and looking like a trained monkey for their woke masters. It only damages them and their credibility going forward with the public. As for the OP, hmm... maybe it is simply time to wake up. And when you do, do the math. Middle america is still vastly larger than the .02-10% of the population you seem to want to demand is catered to.

 

I read this, and well, I laughed. It reminds me of ...



But you guys do you guys...

 

Has someone demanded that you buy Bud light?

 

That level of ability to interpret things is why I am not concerned about the right being able to catch up, much less win, the culture wars.

 

Well,... given that democrats/progressives want gays to "transition", that's an interesting problem for the left, isn't it. You might want to remember that the folks you refer to as "MAGA extremists" have kids. Likely they won't let their kids go to lefty indoctrinal public school, so, you tell me who you think is more likely to remain....

 

LOL... Clearly, you've fallen into the no sense of humor gulag... Typical with the authoritarians on the left. So myopic. So self congratulatory. Have a smug day.

 

You could have just said, "Please laugh".

 

@Golem i can't find @19Crib or any of the others defining "woke" or "crt" on his prev. posts but i did go to wiki to find out when this mess began.

In American usage, "culture war" may imply a conflict between those values considered traditionalist or conservative and those considered progressive or liberal. This usage originated in the 1920s when urban and rural American values came into closer conflict.[7] This followed several decades of immigration to the States by people who earlier European immigrants considered 'alien'. It was also a result of the cultural shifts and modernizing trends of the Roaring '20s, culminating in the presidential campaign of Al Smith in 1928.[8]

though i'm sure that culture wars have been the normal state of humanity since the ionians entered greece to find that their new subjects worshipped a goddess who demanded the annual sacrifice of a king.

 

Can't speak for all democrats, but I for one don't like it when MAGAs boycott tolerance. But the point is that MAGAs will lose. Tolerance will still be a thing 100 years from now. Extremists who think they are superior to gay people... less likely. Like it was 100 years ago against groups like the Irish. Not too long ago it was Catholics. But Catholics and Irish still exist... anti-Catholic and anti-Irish bigots... If they exist, they are tightly huddled in their closet. Same one that homophobes, racists and misogynists will be when they loose the Culture Wars.

 

another optimist!

 

i have to beieve the power of good wins out over bad or the world would not still be here

 

You appear to be extremely misinformed. Those that you have described as the "Maga extremists", (gee, I wonder where you heard that little diddy before-so original ), don't care what "minority groups" like Transgenders do, they just don't want their pronouns in their face. They don't want to be told that they must accept their lifestyle as normal, and if they don't be labelled a "hater" by the wacko progressive left. There is no reason anyone should have to accept the Trans in their face lifestyle, whatever you want to call it. Even many without children are empathetic with parents who also don't want the transgender lifestyle forced upon their youngsters. They don't want them to read stories in our public libraries or at public schools. So save your "MAGA extremists get over it" speeches. Those who you term as extremists are American citizens who have the right to peacefully protest, complain, and not buy from stores who promote the PRIDE lifestyle. Let the free market work! It hasn't failed us yet.

Nobody is going to be guilted by extreme leftists who have NO concept of normal boundaries. Progressives like Joe Biden, and yes, he rules as a progressive, are flailing in the polls. Open your eyes. Transgenders will be here one hundred years from now. Nobody wants them to be extinct, so spare us.

What people are telling people like you is to remember that they don't have to cow tow to the whiny virtue signaling of far left extremists who think they can BULLY others into accepting the Trans lifestyle as NORMAL.