Why the U.S. Military Is In Serious Trouble

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's half the world.

    I guess the question is why we have chosen perpetual war.
     
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    Because the military industrial complex profits from it, and controls the federal government.
     
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    The Rothchild Formula

    1. War is the ultimate discipline to any government. If it can successfully meet the challenge of war, it will survive. If it cannot, it will perish. All else is secondary. The sanctity of its laws, the prosperity of its citizens, and the solvency of its treasury will be quickly sacrificed by any government in its primal act of self-survival.

    2. All that is necessary, therefore, to insure that government will maintain or expand its debt is to involve it in war or the threat of war. The greater the threat and the more destructive the war, the greater the need for debt.

    3. To involve a country in war or the threat of war, it will be necessary for it to have enemies with credible military might. If such enemies already exist, all the better. If they exist but lack military strength, it will be necessary to provide them the money to build their war machine. If an enemy does not exist at all, then it will be necessary to create one by financing the rise of a hostile regime.

    4. The ultimate obstacle is a government which declines to finance its wars through debt. Although this seldom happens, when it does, it will be necessary to encourage internal political opposition, insurrection, or revolution to replace that government with one that is more compliant to our will. The assassination of heads of state could play an important role in this process.

    The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained as one block, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world. – Otto von Bismark

    If this mischievous financial policy, which had its origins in North America, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe. –Times of London

    5. No nation can be allowed to remain militarily stronger than its adversaries, for that could lead to peace and a reduction of debt. To accomplish this balance of power, it may be necessary to finance both side of the conflict. Unless one of the combatants is hostile to our interests and, therefore, must be destroyed, neither side should be allowed a decisive victory or defeat. While we must always proclaim the virtues of peace, the unspoken objective is perpetual war. (The Creature from Jekyll Island, 1994. G. Edward Griffin, pg. 230)
     
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    We have decided to be the planetary police force and the planet has a perpetual string of things for the police force to do.
     
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    The bankers like it that way.
     
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    Woosh!
     
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    More than half, actually. Total population of Earth is 7.5 billion, and 4.6 billion live in Eurasia.

    Your claim about us being at war with Eurasia needs clarification. Did you mean that we are at war with the entire Eurasia, if we are at war with one nation within Eurasia? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I am sure you can explain it.
     
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    I think your entire post is complete idiocy.

    For one we've had dozens of wars since World War Two and none of them have come close to becoming a nuclear war. On what basis do you claim that if a war breaks out it will become a nuclear war?
     
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    What I think about this??


    Pederast moskalis should worry about their sad state of military affairs....

    -kuznetzow dry dock sinks
    --your only ACC is a joke....Everytime its upgraded it gets worse and gets towed everywhere
    -"hypersonic" missiles of yours dont leave city limits
    -wagner mercs can't kill worth a ****
    -ISS space station rockets fail to deliver astronauts
    -fighter jets, bombers crash regularly
    - your regular army conscripts ....half or more, are chronic alcoholics or "krokodil" users

    The only thing holding muscovia together are about 200+ workable nukes, otherwise Turkey would reclaim Crimea, Konigsberg back to germany, Karelia to Finland, Kurils to Japan....LOL.:))
     
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    You write nonsense. Only in the construction of socialism (until 1956), Russia developed as no other country in the world. After 1956, the villain Khrushchev withdrew from the construction of socialism and began to build a nomenclature society, where the base became capitalist, and the superstructure had signs of socialism. This inconsistency led to decay, and then to the collapse of the USSR.
     
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    You have never fought a nuclear country. By the way, you have never won a single war. (war with Grenada and Panama is more a shame than a victory)
    If you start to fight as usual with a weak opponent who does not have nuclear weapons, this war will also not lead to a nuclear conflict .. But if you fight for example with Russia (of course, you will fight as part of NATO groups. Independently, as we all know, you did not win a single war), the war will inevitably turn into a phase of nuclear confrontation.
     
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    1984 reference. lol
     
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    You and I will likely not agree on anything.
     
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    I like your tantrum. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Have you read Capital? Have you read "State and Revolution"? Have you read "Imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism"?
     
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    You don't know that. The U.S. pretty handily defeated Iraq in 2003. For that matter Iraq in 1991.
     
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    Uhhhh, it's not a tantrum, the above points I've stated are rather true, as of late.:)).
     
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    What "wars" has the russian really won??

    WW2...you were helped with massive lend lease, without it, Russia was doomed?!?:))

    What happened in Afghanistan??? Or you forget?:))

    Oh wait....I read here on PF forum, that the SU won the war in Astan.....but couldnt hold the "victory"?!?:truce::rolleyes::roflol:, LOL, really, what the hell does that mean?!?!
     
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    I've read Das Kapital. It is an opinion about economics that doesn't work in practice.
     
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    Are you really proud of this "victory"?The US military has nothing to do with this "victory." And you know it is not worse than me. If we talk about the winner, this is who paid the Iraqi generals for betraying Saddam Hussein. Therefore, hundreds of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq. Once again - the civilians of Iraq, but not the regular army of Saddam Hussein.
     
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    Yes. This is an economic theory. Which added Lenin and Stalin. And that works very well. Of course, life is changing, new technologies are emerging, and therefore any scientific theory needs to be improved. If look primitive, then any scientific discovery was also not immediately introduced into life. When introducing everything new, errors inevitably arise.
    For example, in the USSR, the idiot Khrushchev abandoned the principle of the "dictatorship of the proletariat." But if you are familiar with the theory of class struggle, you understand that if you abandon the dictatorship of the proletariat, the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie will inevitably occupy this niche. What happened in the USSR.
    But never in the history of mankind was there an instant change of one political economic system to another. For example, it took about 700 years to go from a slave to a feudal system. The transition to capitalism took about 300 years. And in the period of change, there were backslides back, what is called "reaction", and progress.
    Now in Russia there was a "reaction". But the transition first to socialism, and then to communism is inevitable.
     
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    The U.S. destroyed whichever Iraqi Army units it faced in combat with contemptuous ease.

    All those mountains of Soviet built weapons did them no good.
     
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    Except when it saved capitalism from itself. Socialism is not a monolithic idea it was always composed of different theories and opinions and is evolving today into a Social Democracy.

    You should study the reforms brought in by Henry Wallace and Roosevelt during the depression era before making such broad comments.
     
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    This is ridiculous. You can also boast that the United States defeated resistance in Panama. Or "green berets" managed to defeat the Cuban builders in Grenada.

    If we talk about weapons. It can be mentioned as for example the American "Patriots" in Saudi Arabia cannot resist the old Soviet missiles of the early 60s, which are in service with Yemen.
    Or recall how savages with spears and arrows drove the American fur seals (who had new American guns) from Somalia.
    The Serbs of the old Soviet rocket shot down a new American invisible aircraft.
     
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    How did the Soviets fair against afghan mujahadeen goat herders?!?:))

    Big huge invincible soviet army had the luxury of unrestricted land route and air space into Astan....and the shnegs still got ass raped:))

    Much like Kursk in 43....soviets blared out Nazis battle plans on megaphone and still almost lost the battle had Hitler not called it off....:)).
     

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