Why today’s young men are terrified of sex... Any truth to this, or are y'all geezers outdated...

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  1. Sahba*

    Sahba* Well-Known Member

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    Some words of wisdom from y'all... Ehhh? This is actually a very important topic!

    Lol... w/o revealing too much about myself, I'm a "Millennial" & have a vague notion of what this article is alluding to... We are primarily talking about "Generation Z" in this article, born from 1997 --> present.

    I really think that this article errs in its inordinate focus on women taking advantage of men. Anecdotally, it would seem more plausible that young men are hung up on a myriad of other issues (pornography) being somewhere in the mix... Using U - Political Forum "men" as a sounding board to go from - what sense do y'all make of this article, this assertion, is it just 'pajama boy' pandering?


    https://nypost.com/2020/01/11/why-todays-young-men-are-terrified-of-sex/
     
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    Just from reading the article it seems the real problem for young men is they have not had a good male role model to talk to about these issues.
     
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    I want the 5 minutes back I wasted reading that crap. There's so many variables left out of the article so it's difficult to comment. But needless to say judging from today's society, my bet is that they smoke too much weed, play too many video games, and there's just not as many hot women as there used to be so competition is likely stiff. Your average guy is stuck with the slut fatties and who the hell wants that? (Unless slut fatties is your thing).
     
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    not eating enough meat, meat improves ones hormones, society today lives on processed carbs

    from a recent ex-vegan on the topic, before and after on sex drive

     
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    Make sense of it? I suspect it’s a lack confidence colliding with a poor environment. That can be a tough age range to navigate to begin with but if you think this is odd you should look into groups like ‘INCEL’ or ‘Men’s Rights Activists’. Warning, you’ll need to pick your jaw off the floor after reading.

    It’s young men talking themselves into mental illness and acting out over their lack of confidence around females.
     
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    Just the logical consequence of long term problems, young boys have more problems with school failure, addictions problems, very high suicide rate for a very long time. Those long length problem start to affect other aspects of their life. I don't think furthermore that new technologies improved that, far from it.
    We could also mention that many young boys saw their fathers/uncles expulsed of the family after devastating divorces. Maybe they're not willing to repeat the same experience.

    However, Japan has the same problem. They're called "herbivore men" there, and apparently they became the majority of young men.
     
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    Hell, a young guy even looks at a girl now he gets slapped with a rape charge.
     
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    For starters the NYP is a TABLOID so the MOTIVATION for the article is suspect to begin with.

    Yes, there probably is a segment of the Gen Z population that are encountering problems but the odds are it is not significantly different to previous generations.

    Any guy capable of thinking with his "big brain" rather than his "small brain" is going to have doubts about how they "measure up".

    Internet porn isn't any different to all of the printed porn that preceded it when it comes to unrealistic expectations.

    Back when you still needed a "projector" to watch a porn movie at home it was usually in a mixed group setting and my recollection was that it was so corny as to be hilariously funny. Then again the weed might have been a factor.

    But it broke the ice and with few exceptions everyone who wanted to eventually got laid and that was both sexes.

    The world has more than enough people so there is not going to be a shortage if some don't figure it out or just don't want to deal with relationships. The sex is the easy part, the relationship is what makes it work.

    The only positive attribute of the NYP is to line the cat litter box IMO.
     
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    #HumanProgress...The weed AND the porn, are now MUCH better!
     
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    don't agree with that, but... I do agree that every relationship is now online for all to see, and that could change the dynamics of both genders views on dating
     
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    I disagree because porn is porn is porn!

    All that has changed is the availability and the scumsucking NYP tabloid article was throwing out FLAMEBAIT when it cited the self serving "bitdefender study" about "young kids watching porn" which has ZERO CREDIBILITY.

    As far as weed being better is concerned I cannot comment because I have not tried any of the new strains yet.
     
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    @Sahba* However, I don't see honnestly why it's so important. Interesting yes, important no.
     
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    What? You say there are only 2 genders. Isn't that liberal blasphemy?
     
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    It isn't sex they are worried about it's consequences.
     
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    Ohhh but it is... or would appear to be!

    Let me ask you this @VotreAltesse , do you want this next generation to be better off than the last? (sorry, ... I know that's inherently platitudinous :) ) Today's youth are bombarded by a plethora of instantaneous media 'cues' that U or I, quite frankly, might not even be privy to. There is no doubt that the evolution of social media has had an impact on the monogamous concept of 'the family unit' - the 1960's - 90's & far beyond... "The Soprano's" masculine hegemony - cliche "my wife, da' mother of my children"... What is that today but a dated reference, Yet, it used to mean something, lol...

    I do think that the mental health, reproduction rate, the social cognizance etc. of our youth, are all important issues... - Clearly! (imho...)
     
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    Somehow, I am a grandfather.
     
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    Well that and it's damned hard to get someone pregnant on the internet... Just saying...
    And then there's the mixed signals. Dammit ladies if it ain't available don't dress or act like it is. Saves everyone concerned time and trouble.
     
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    Stiff competition may well be the problem.
     
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    Just a likewise observation / musing... Don't be foisting issues upon another - then blaming that other party for one's own poor behavior (the way they dress, etc.) as an excuse! We are all responsible for our own behavior, regardless of the driving impetuses...

    'One is liable'
    to get ones hands shot off in some reminiscently (Constitutionally 2A) ensconced enclaves of America... for transgressing - such, lol... :)
     
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    1. Found the article to be fluff without a point. "Most young people do not start off their sexual lives confident" is not particularly new or noteworthy.
    2. What is noteworthy is that our prevailing consumerist-celebrity-promiscuity culture is constantly ramming sex down young people's throats (pun intended), and then acts surprised at the mental and social issues that result. Who would have possibly thought that young men who are bombarded with thousands of sex messages a day could become insecure or embarrassed by their own experiences not being as exciting and perfect as the marketers tout?
    3. The messages young men receive are conflicting and this exacerbates confusion and insecurity. On the one hand, "helpful" family and friends give young men atrociously bad advice about sex, how to get and enjoy it, and what women find attractive in men (see, as two of myriad examples possible, "just be yourself" or "be a gentleman" ROFL). On the other hand, media is crammed full of messages of beautiful people having endless, pneumatic, fulfilling, exciting sex whenever they want, it just falls in their laps... when they do/say the right things, consume the right product, are a billionaire with an S&M dungeon :)
    4. Male "lizard brain" behavior is no worse nor more socially destructive than female "lizard brain" behavior, yet only male small brain behavior is castigated, socially condemned, made illegal, harshly punished for life. Men must "learn not to rape, to abuse." Female lizard brain behavior OTOH is encouraged and lionized because it plays into females as the apex consumers. Female impulsiveness, compulsiveness, hypergamy, immense powers of rationalization of the unreal into the real all SELL MORE PRODUCT in the end, create more Complex dependence and "clients" in the end.
    5. Hypergamy deserves its own number. The infamous OK Cupid survey found that male members of the dating site rated about half the women on the site as above average and half as below, this comports with what one would expect. The female members, OTOH, rated 80% of the men on the site as below average, and only 20% of the men as average or above, NOT comporting with the stats one would expect. This leads to a majority of men having no prospects for sex at all, utterly ignored by women.
     
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    The Post article was just one of many articles along the lines of, "What's Happening to Boys, etc." The Atlantic and Time have tackled the trend. I have asked my grandkids about the dating scene these days since, in their mid-twenties, none have married. One of my grandkids said, 'You find a nice girl you like and 9 chances out of 10 she's been married and has a kid.' My initial reaction was one of acceptance and sorrow.

    I personally gravitate to intelligent, strong women (like my wife). I guess a lot of young men find this off putting, but I am just supposing. I do believe, that "What Happened to the Boys?" is a trend that is far beyond my ability to understand, much less diagnose. I find it a little sad for both sexes.
     
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    Missing the point here. Old rule of thumb if it ain't for sale don't advertise it. Note I'm 71. I've been married 46 years to the same woman. For the life of me I can't understand men like Weinstein, or women that knowing in advance that he's a dirty rotten bastard will still place themselves at his nonexistent mercy. Rumors of the Hollywood casting couch have been around about as long as Hollywood. If you know it's dirty and you object to that sort of thing what the hell are you doing there?

    Men are men, women are women, some of each are *******s with legs. And in both cases male and female, you're an adult and at some point you are responsible for your own behavior regardless if what's between you legs
     
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    The point the article made regarding the easy availability of porn today was very interesting, somewhat plausible.
     
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    @Sahba* Concerning reproduction, sex has been disconnected of reproduction for a century. Some people have dozen of thousand times of sex without having any babies. The birth rate are always going downhill in a lot of countries, indenpendantly from the number of people which have sex or not.

    Concerning instantenous medias, I think that new technologies are formidable tools, but I'm afraid they will impact negatively on our brain.

    We still have a brain same as during the stone age. There is a thing that scientists name a "super normative stimulus". That's something not present in a "normal" environnement that perturbate the brain.
    The most classical exemple of that is mosquitos and fire. The brain of mosquitos drive them to toward heat sources, in normal times, animals that would bring them the precious blood they feed on. However, they can be attracted by fire, that would end to burn them. That's a superstimulus. What happen in their tiny mosquito brain ? Do they feel the equivalent of pleasure ? I don't know.
    Maybe computers, video games, TV, pornography are superstimulus, and maybe human is not that much different to those technologies than to the mosquito and his fire.
     
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    I'll never understand this paranoid fantasy. People actually delude themselves into believing this nonsense?
     
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